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Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:40 am to blkhawktiger
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Yeah, I'd be so pissed I'd make their new face of the franchise look like shite on the field and make them go explain to their fans how they totally wasted their #2 overall pick
Great. So now you beat out Mariota, other teams realize he was overrated. I mean, obviously he's overrated if he can't beat out someone as terrible as Mett. Now he's not as valuable for trade purposes. Congratulations, you are now the starting quarterback for a franchise that could have built around you with multiple draft picks and/or vets.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:43 am to blkhawktiger
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How long do you wait to take a QB? Next year's class looks even weaker than this one. Of the 10 or so franchise guys in the league, all but Manning and Luck came with a certain amount of risk and criticism. At some point, when you're a franchise that has wallowed in mediocrity for over a decade, you have to trust your scouting and take a QB and see what happens. You can't afford to wait another 10 years for the next Luck or Manning.
I disagree. I think it's generally just a crap shoot.
There have been plenty of NFL starters who weren't selected in the first round. By taking one so early on you have to hitch your horse to a burdensome wagon in the form of a massive rookie contract.
You don't necessarily have to wait around for Luck or Manning because you might find a Brees, Romo, Rodgers, Wilson, Brady, Flacco, Foles, etc. None of those guys were top-15 picks.
Also, look at the teams that have managed to construct stout defenses and quality offensive rosters which can enable them to merely plug in a veteran quarterback. You can certainly become a successful franchise by adhering to that formula.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:44 am to ForeLSU
It's only two sided during contract negotiations or when a guy is a free agent. If Mett didn't want the Titans to draft a QB during his current contract, he shouldn't have signed it, period.
Again, if this was a Saints backup, people would be laughing their arse of at such a request. This thread is an emotional distortion of the reality of the NFL due to the player's connection with LSU.
Again, if this was a Saints backup, people would be laughing their arse of at such a request. This thread is an emotional distortion of the reality of the NFL due to the player's connection with LSU.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:46 am to saint amant steve
Glad you've enlightened us with your front office experience.
And of the examples you gave, Rodgers and Flacco were first round picks with Brees being first pick of second round. And Foles, really? One of these is not like the other.
By your logic, we should take as many 6th/7th round guys as we can until we find the next Tom Brady. Can't wait to be 75 years old when the Titans get back to the playoffs with the Chosen One.
And of the examples you gave, Rodgers and Flacco were first round picks with Brees being first pick of second round. And Foles, really? One of these is not like the other.
By your logic, we should take as many 6th/7th round guys as we can until we find the next Tom Brady. Can't wait to be 75 years old when the Titans get back to the playoffs with the Chosen One.
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 10:51 am
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:50 am to HoustonTiger2008
He knows just like a poster earlier knows. They will have to give Mariota priority with such a high pick.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:50 am to blkhawktiger
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It's only two sided during contract negotiations or when a guy is a free agent. If Mett didn't want the Titans to draft a QB during his current contract, he shouldn't have signed it, period.
He's asking to be traded, he could hold out, he could be cut, it's all part of the business. Drafting another QB down in the draft somewhere probably wouldn't have triggered the same response, but the Titans basically told Mett yesterday that they're moving on.
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Again, if this was a Saints backup, people would be laughing their arse of at such a request. This thread is an emotional distortion of the reality of the NFL due to the player's connection with LSU.
not really, this is mostly an argument of folks who understand, and those who don't, the realities of the QB position in the NFL in 2015...
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:51 am to ForeLSU
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:52 am to ForeLSU
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not really, this is mostly an argument of folks who understand, and those who don't, the realities of the QB position in the NFL in 2015...
Oh, so you're one that understands right? Please enlighten us of your credentials to make such a statement.
Funny that the only people paid to understand the realities of it were tearing Mett to pieces. Seems like you're on the wrong side of this one, or in the wrong profession. I'd bet the former
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 10:54 am
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:57 am to AlaTiger
Steelers!!!!!!!!! keep the berger train going for another decade.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:58 am to Tommy Patel
I like itPosted on 5/1/15 at 11:01 am to blkhawktiger
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Please enlighten us of your credentials to make such a statement.
no...
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Seems like you're on the wrong side of this one,
no, I think it's pretty clear that the Titans have moved on from Mett, I doubt he has much trade value at this point, and as I said earlier, I expect the Titans to release him by fall camp.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:10 am to AlaTiger
quote:I don't get it. He's 100% and he's not a rookie anymore. Cast off the crutches. Isn't he capable of outperforming MM? This appears to be an admission by ZM that MM is better than he is.
I have to say that I don't blame him. He was coming off an injury and was a rookie.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:13 am to ForeLSU
As stated: NFL teams no longer take QBs with a top 5 pick and don't expect them to be a day 1 starter.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:13 am to blkhawktiger
Yea, the NFL is a business. The titans now have a LOT more money invested in Mariota than Mett and they're all praying that Mariota turns into a star so they get good return on investment. Do you honestly think that even if Mariota is slightly worse that they'll bench him for a late round pick that's making $500k a year and make their front office look like a bunch of failures? Every single team banks on their first round pick becoming a face of the franchise so it'll put more people in the stadium and Mett knows that.
A late round guy will never get the nod over the second overall pick if they're the same age, that's just not how it works. It'd be wise for Mett to get out while he can and go to a team like the Saints with a veteran QB where he can fairly compete for a chance to be the guy in a few years
A late round guy will never get the nod over the second overall pick if they're the same age, that's just not how it works. It'd be wise for Mett to get out while he can and go to a team like the Saints with a veteran QB where he can fairly compete for a chance to be the guy in a few years
Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:16 am to ForeLSU
You've misread or misunderstood, no pun intended.
What you quoted was in regards to the ridiculousness (or lack of) of Mett's request to be traded, not whether the Titans would release him or have moved on. I personally think the Titans fully expected him to remain a backup/possible starting option had his not wanting to be traded corne out.
What you quoted was in regards to the ridiculousness (or lack of) of Mett's request to be traded, not whether the Titans would release him or have moved on. I personally think the Titans fully expected him to remain a backup/possible starting option had his not wanting to be traded corne out.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:17 am to blkhawktiger
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Pretty simple. They weren't offered what they wanted. Again, refer to my previous post. How long do you wait to take a QB? Next year's class looks even weaker than this one. Of the 10 or so franchise guys in the league, all but Manning and Luck came with a certain amount of risk and criticism. At some point, when you're a franchise that has wallowed in mediocrity for over a decade, you have to trust your scouting and take a QB and see what happens. You can't afford to wait another 10 years for the next Luck or Manning.
Of the 32 starting NFL QBs 12 were taken in the top 5 and a few of those have been traded. You can get good QBs other ways via middle of 1st round, later rounds or trades.
Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Romo, etc.
Look at the QBs in the past 15 years that have been taken top 5. Barely any have panned out and even less have turned around a franchise. Unless you have an Andrew Luck, its not worth it. Its smarter to trade down for a ton of picks and FA's, build a solid team, and get a servicable experienced NFL QB (Mett at worst is serviceable), and try to get a QB later in the draft or trade for one.
Its bad business on the part of the Titans IMO. If they had an incredible team and just needed a QB, I could see it, but Mariota isn't going to be the guy that turns that team around. They have several holes on offense and throwing a rookie QB who has never even been in a pro offense in the middle of it might damage him beyond repair.
They could've alleviated ALL of their needs on offense by trading #2 and keeping Mett.
This isn't me thinking Mett is Tom Brady. He is not. But he is a decent NFL QB that can make all of the throws and has experience on that team and in that offense.
I personally think Titans are trying to sell tickets, which is a classic move by shitty organizations.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:19 am to blkhawktiger
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I want Mett to succeed but no NFL QB worth his salt is going to run from a situation like Mett is trying to do,
Eli told San Diego he would not play for him if they drafted him. Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:19 am to southeasttiger113
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Do you honestly think that even if Mariota is slightly worse that they'll bench him for a late round pick that's making $500k a year and make their front office look like a bunch of failures?
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Yea, the NFL is a business.
The Seahawks shelved Flynn after spending a fortune on him in favor of Wilson. Why? Because Wilson was better. I'd hope the Titans would be able to swallow their pride to put the best product on the field. Whether they will have to do that or whether they will be able to remains to be seen.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 11:20 am to TheCaterpillar
Another reason I'd be pissed if I was Mettenberger is not only did they tell him he was the future at QB, but they didn't try to help him out at all. He wasn't the reason the offense sucked last year, they had no OL at all. It was very, very bad.
They have a broken down engine on offense and blamed the driver. Instead of fixing the engine, they hired another driver.
They have a broken down engine on offense and blamed the driver. Instead of fixing the engine, they hired another driver.
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