re: Member when Miles supporters said, "Okay - make sure we know...

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any idiot can win 10 games at lsu.

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you're right rick. Seems like Miles did this a few times.

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I think W vs UF in '16, and in '17 W vs Troy, MSU and ND, maybe lose to AU.

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I think you're forgetting puzzling losses Miles had. he very damn tried his best to lose to Troy in 2008. But let's go year by year of the past few with Miles
2016:
- had no business losing to Auburn, none.
- should not have lost to Wisconsin either. We had every opportunity to win that game but his insistence on playing Harris or change the offense, AT ALL, well you know what happened
2015:
- getting shutout by Alabama, ok it was scoreless most of the game so I'll let him slide, but getting blown out at home by unranked Ark the following week and then again the week after by Ole Miss were inexcusable. That was a clear indication he'd lost the team. The looked completely disinterested in both of those games.

2014:
- he also lost to MS State and was getting blown out much of the game, at home
- blown out again against Auburn
- choked against Alabama, again
- shutout by unranked Arkansas
- beat by overmatched Notre Dame in the bowl game

SO why exactly would he have definitely beaten Florida last year or State this year? Sure we probably would have beaten Troy but I think we would have beaten Troy had we played them again this year too. Why are you also assuming he'd have beaten Notre Dame? Notre Dame had a good defense and was a good team. AFter winning his forst 4 bowl games at LSU, he lost 4 of his next 7, so I'm not really sure why you think we beat Notre Dame with Miles.

This is exactly correct, and a direct representation of why Joe Alleva should no longer be the AD. Complete and utter failure of leadership

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lsu recruits itself.

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always been a stupid comment

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any idiot can win 10 games at lsu.

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also always stupid when people said that

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les miles is the only thing holding lsu back from winning titles

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I think his last few years here, he was holding back LSU from winning titles. We didn't totally sink under him but we would not be winning titles going forward with Miles. He had every opportunity to rectify that but refused.
Talent was never the issue

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les miles is the only thing holding Harris and our qbs back. watch Harris will shine at NC.

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Les was a poor evaluator of QBs and most of them, not just Harris, failed to improve throughout their career. Mettenbegrer improved from 2012 to 2013. And, yes, Jarrett Lee improved as well, but he also didn't start after his freshman year until Jefferson was suspended.

Let's go through starters
Russell - developed by Jimbo
Flynn - developed by Jimbo
Perrilloux - I'll give Miles a pass on him
Lee/Jefferson - already mentioned
Mettenberger - already mentioned
Jennings - regressed
Harris - regressed

It also deserves mentioning the numerous QBs who were big signees that transferred killing our depth and stability at the position. None of those guys amounted to anything elsewhere, so why did we sign them in the first place? I think Les was very lacking in his evaluation at the position.

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I think you're forgetting puzzling losses Miles had.

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I didn't forget, and it's ok that everyone gets an opinion.

2014- Because Jennings
2015- Because Harris
2016- Because Harris and timekeeper (Miles was the coach who started Etling)

The SEC landscape chages each season and Ol Miss of '17 isn't the one that beat Bama, Dak is long gone, etc, etc. but none of these recruit on level of Troy
Miles teams lost to mostly decent opponents..... and post Bama Arky who regards the Boot game as their superbowl (and didn't suck quite so bad then as the last couple years).

In the end I guess it's the fact all Miles offenses scored more ppg than 2017(vs demonstrably better competition) tends to make me feel he could've done a better job.
Probably less distractions than the O camp would've helped his cause also.

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And Miles was responsible for the personnel he had to work with. He signed those players and hired the assistants to coach them, so that's on him.

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Wasn't O in charge of this? Amazing he couldn't stop the attrition, given October 2016 to fall 2017 to sort it.

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And why does Miles get a pass for Arkansas.

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Nobody gets a pass, not even Saban's 2 losses.
The games are just usually dogfights with blowouts pretty rare on either side.
I just think Arky is worse than usual the last couple years, as is OM and most of the rest of SEC.
Troy was inexcusable, MSU wasn't top 5 as claimed after the blowout, and ND could've been won with better rushing attack and decision making.

Miles staff would've done a better job IMO due to EauxCanada's numbers and I'm really OK if you don't see it that way.