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re: Mediocre is 2 - 9 versus ranked teams over the last 2.5+ seasons
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:52 am to jdrumdog
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:52 am to jdrumdog
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I'm very proud of my education.
Pretty self evident with how much you tout it...
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I'm merely pointing out your falsehood and you have serious issues with it. I have quoted myself and your statements repeatedly because you act as though our conversation never existed.
Huh? I have acknowledged all of your statements... never acted like anything you said didn't exist.
Your response to my rebuttals was always "you're wrong." I can't help if you can't come up with anything more cogent than that.
Regardless, this is getting tiring.... just give it a rest.
You're right and I'm wrong.
You are the master and I'm the student.
You are o so wise and knowledgeable and perfect.
whatever it takes to make you shut the frick up about this already.
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Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:54 am to OBUDan
I didn't assume he wouldn't have success. I said its rare for players to have success in such a system.
Again, it's not just about youth. Even using Bradford or shite even McCoy as examples to bolster your argument is weak. Both were in the system for a full year prior to starting their RS Freshman years. Mettenberger will at best have the Spring and Fall IF he comes to LSU and may still be under Crowton for God's sake.
I never said the kid would fail, but people expecting him to play well are placing a really shitty wager because the fact is despite his great potential because everything outside of WR and RB talent will be stacked against him here at LSU.
Again, it's not just about youth. Even using Bradford or shite even McCoy as examples to bolster your argument is weak. Both were in the system for a full year prior to starting their RS Freshman years. Mettenberger will at best have the Spring and Fall IF he comes to LSU and may still be under Crowton for God's sake.
I never said the kid would fail, but people expecting him to play well are placing a really shitty wager because the fact is despite his great potential because everything outside of WR and RB talent will be stacked against him here at LSU.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:55 am to LSUMafia
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And again, if UF has as much attrition as LSU, why hasn't it hurt them the past 4 seasons until this one where they managed to win 13 games in 3 of the last 4 seasons?
So going 9-3 and 9-4 (with a Heisman winner) is irrelevant to their attrition issues?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:55 am to OBUDan
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Your response to my rebuttals was always "you're wrong." I can't help if you can't come up with anything more cogent than that.
This is incorrect. Would you care for the links? Your rebuttals, by your own admission, were opinions. I gave you facts. It seems like you might be a tad upset.
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 3:57 am
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:57 am to LSUMafia
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I never said the kid would fail, but people expecting him to play well are placing a really shitty wager because the fact is despite his great potential because everything outside of WR and RB talent will be stacked against him here at LSU.
You are operating under just as many assumptions as they are though...
They assume.. New OC, new QB, matured OL, better offense.
You assume.. same OC, same OL, same shitty offense...
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:58 am to jdrumdog
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Would you care for the links?
I would care for you to stop and just talk about football, as I have asked the last 15 times I've responded to you.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:58 am to OBUDan
So 1 down year, right? LSU has had 2 and our offense is still shite.
UF had 1 year down on one side of the ball and came back strong the following season. So strong in fact they won ANOTHER national title. Even in that down year, UF was tied for 1st in the SEC East.
What did LSU do the next year? Defense came back up to damn good and Offense went to utter shite with no signs of improving.
UF had 1 year down on one side of the ball and came back strong the following season. So strong in fact they won ANOTHER national title. Even in that down year, UF was tied for 1st in the SEC East.
What did LSU do the next year? Defense came back up to damn good and Offense went to utter shite with no signs of improving.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 4:00 am to OBUDan
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I would care for you to stop and just talk about football, as I have asked the last 15 times I've responded to you
you have not stated this the last 15 times you have responded to me. This is another falsehood and over exaggeration.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 4:01 am to OBUDan
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You are operating under just as many assumptions as they are though...
They assume.. New OC, new QB, matured OL, better offense.
You assume.. same OC, same OL, same shitty offense...
Not really. I simply stated that even with a new OC and mature OL, we are starting a fresh QB who will only have been in the system for less 7-8 months. The likelihood that he will be successful is not that high even with those assumptions THEY make. It's called hedging your bets. Chances are that the offensive woes aren't purely on OL and Crowton. We still have what seems to be a poor WR coach and Les Miles in charge and I am not sold that he isn't controlling the offense in some ways.
So to me, its possible but unlikely that Mett will have a great/NC type year next season.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 4:02 am to LSUMafia
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So 1 down year, right? LSU has had 2 and our offense is still shite.
Well, two if you count his first year.
I agree, our offense is shite. Our offense was good up through Gary Crowton's 1st year. It was probably slightly below average his second year. Terrible last year and this year.
A good coaching change can bring about very positive effects.
I'm not sure what will happen the rest of this season.
I strongly suspect Crowton will be relieved of duty (as I think they wanted to happen last year). If we hire someone new and the offense continues to flounder then obviously it was Miles all along. If we hire some one new and the offense takes off... then I guess it was Crowton.
There's just so many variables... which is why I'm not as quick to jump to conclusions or dole blame on a certain player or coach...
Posted on 10/29/10 at 4:03 am to LSUMafia
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So to me, its possible but unlikely that Mett will have a great/NC type year next season.
I'd have to agree. Certainly would be disconcerting if we kept Crowton another year.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 4:03 am to LSUMafia
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So to me, its possible but unlikely that Mett will have a great/NC type year next season.
What if he did this:
2,500, 15 TDs, 5 picks...
Is that a NC type of year?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 4:05 am to OBUDan
It's unknown. Period. I tend to err on the side of statistics. Most first year starting QBs struggle and have growing pains. I hope Mett comes to LSU and beats the stats, but given our staff and coaches even without Studs and Crowton, I have little faith.
As for UF's first year, you are really counting Meyer's first year where he was taking over a middle of the pack team and finishing better than they did the season before?
As for UF's first year, you are really counting Meyer's first year where he was taking over a middle of the pack team and finishing better than they did the season before?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 4:08 am to LSUMafia
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Most first year starting QBs struggle and have growing pains. I hope Mett comes to LSU and beats the stats, but given our staff and coaches even without Studs and Crowton, I have little faith.
Forgetting Crowton, what's wrong with Stud?
Our OL is improved over last year. We played a very shitty 2nd half vs. Auburn, but 1st half, we were blowing guys doors off... TBob pancaked Fairley even...
I guess I don't see the criticism as fair...
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As for UF's first year, you are really counting Meyer's first year where he was taking over a middle of the pack team and finishing better than they did the season before?
Well to be fair to Miles, he took over a "middle of the pack team and finished better than they did the season before" too...
Posted on 10/29/10 at 4:08 am to OBUDan
Well, it would depend on the rest of the team and how he got those stats. You can't just look at stats individually and account them to wins/losses.
If he does that but our running game is shitty like last year than no. If he did that with this years team, it may be enough.
If he does that but our running game is shitty like last year than no. If he did that with this years team, it may be enough.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 4:10 am to LSUMafia
Right, so that's the point. Mett doesn't have to come here and be a superstar when we will be returning:
All of RBs but one (and that guy we hardly use)
And 4 of 5 OL.
All of RBs but one (and that guy we hardly use)
And 4 of 5 OL.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 4:10 am to OBUDan
So now a top 10 team that lost 3 games on the road to top 8 teams is a middle of the pack team? really?
Are you comparing a 9-3 LSU team to a 7-5 UF team?
Are you comparing a 9-3 LSU team to a 7-5 UF team?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 4:16 am to LSUMafia
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So now a top 10 team that lost 3 games on the road to top 8 teams is a middle of the pack team? really?
Wait, I thought you were a process guy?
We beat Troy 24-20.... at home.
Beat 4-7 Ole Miss 27-24... at home.
Beat 7-5 Florida 24-21.
And were fortunate to beat an Oregon State that finished 7-5... since they missed a handful of FGs and a couple XPs...
Is that the top 10 team you are thinking of?
Those sound like the type of victories Miles would get endless amounts of shite for... much less the decision to start and play Marcus Randall over the superior talent Jamarcus Russell...
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 4:17 am
Posted on 10/29/10 at 4:25 am to OBUDan
Did we lose to a 4-7 team team that year after an NC? Did we lose 5 SEC games?
They weren't consistent issues under Saban like they have been for 3 years under Miles.
We played poorly that year, but Saban took chances with the QBs and didn't stick to just Randall. It wasn't handled well, but it was just one year. Under Miles, this team has rarely look disciplined, and LSU was still developing young talent that year.
They weren't consistent issues under Saban like they have been for 3 years under Miles.
We played poorly that year, but Saban took chances with the QBs and didn't stick to just Randall. It wasn't handled well, but it was just one year. Under Miles, this team has rarely look disciplined, and LSU was still developing young talent that year.
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