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re: Mediocre is 2 - 9 versus ranked teams over the last 2.5+ seasons
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:33 am to DrSteveBrule
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:33 am to DrSteveBrule
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You appear to be defending Miles, but you claim that you never said he was a good coach.
That's not true at all.
Look, there's at least 4 different people coming at me from different angles in this thread.
I never claimed to say that Miles wasn't a good coach.
I never said Miles was a great coach.
I don't see why everything has to be one or the other.
I think he's a good coach, and will be fine with the right coordinators.
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Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:34 am to jdrumdog
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jdrumdog
You do realize that EVERYONE else in this thread is trying to get back to the subject at hand.. yet you are continuing your intellectual circle jerk?
Carry on if you must, but please, do it elsewhere.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:34 am to LSUMafia
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I think Mettenberger has tons of potential, but given our staff, I doubt they actually use him correctly to begin with.
I believe this as well.
Dan, that's an OPINION.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:35 am to ZTiger87
My point wasn't that we had to get a Saban. In fact, I think that LSU would be smarter than to hire a coach within the current staff as head coach.
Miami made a mistake not because Shannon was a bad coach, but he was still a part of the same system that was struggling. Even if he was stricter than Coker, he's still part of Coker's group and will be marked by players the same way. In those situations, you clean house with the exceptions being position coaches and maybe a coordinator (like Chavis).
If LSU hires a new coach, I'd pray it would be a guy like Mullen that has proven some success as an OC at UF and now a head coach at MSU. He seems to be able to recruit and shown to win games when he is less talented than his opponent.
Miami made a mistake not because Shannon was a bad coach, but he was still a part of the same system that was struggling. Even if he was stricter than Coker, he's still part of Coker's group and will be marked by players the same way. In those situations, you clean house with the exceptions being position coaches and maybe a coordinator (like Chavis).
If LSU hires a new coach, I'd pray it would be a guy like Mullen that has proven some success as an OC at UF and now a head coach at MSU. He seems to be able to recruit and shown to win games when he is less talented than his opponent.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:36 am to LSUMafia
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No, it's actually not. There is a big difference between being a physical freak that can run, which is what Newton does great moreso than a passing QB that has to do more things as far as reading defenses. If Cam couldn't be the dominant runner based on speed and size, his transition would've been much more difficult and less successful.
Right, that worked AWESOME for this guy.
He dominated easy at Ole Miss cause he was physical freak that ran a 4.3...
Your point was irrelevant. Whether or QB is great running or throwing has nothing to do with their ability to dominate. Just because you perceive it to be easier to run than throw doesn't make it so....
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:38 am to OBUDan
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You do realize that EVERYONE else in this thread is trying to get back to the subject at hand.. yet you are continuing your intellectual circle jerk?
Carry on if you must, but please, do it elsewhere.
By subject at hand, I surely hope you mean the subject you replied to in which you stated that
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Coaching is THE most overrated aspect of college football in the way it is commonly perceived.
LINK
Now, if you want to attack me based off something off topic in this thread, that's your decision. But your statement there is completely false, as I have taken the time to prove repeatedly. You dismiss it, but it does not change facts.
If anything, you certainly changed the topic at hand. Would you like that link as well?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:39 am to LSUMafia
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Miami made a mistake not because Shannon was a bad coach, but he was still a part of the same system that was struggling. Even if he was stricter than Coker, he's still part of Coker's group and will be marked by players the same way. In those situations, you clean house with the exceptions being position coaches and maybe a coordinator (like Chavis).
It had less to do with anything regarding Coker so much as that Shannon just sucks.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:39 am to jdrumdog
jdrumdog, in response to your earlier question, I think the attrition problems, particularly at OL, were just bad and lazy recruiting by the staff. It's one thing to take kids with red flags, but taking that many was just plain stupid.
Miles is a good recruiter in the sense that he gets lots of good recruits to commit, but he's not very good at times in getting players we need.
Prime examples of that outside of QB which is obvious are the DL (particularly DT) and OL. How many DL did we recruit almost assuredly to move them to OL, yet not getting actual DT's. That's one reason why injuries and attrition have killed LSU more than say UF.
Miles is a good recruiter in the sense that he gets lots of good recruits to commit, but he's not very good at times in getting players we need.
Prime examples of that outside of QB which is obvious are the DL (particularly DT) and OL. How many DL did we recruit almost assuredly to move them to OL, yet not getting actual DT's. That's one reason why injuries and attrition have killed LSU more than say UF.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:40 am to OBUDan
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Whether or QB is great running or throwing has nothing to do with their ability to dominate. Just because you perceive it to be easier to run than throw doesn't make it so....
Ironic.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:42 am to jdrumdog
To be this petulant, I'm guessing you are 22-25, probably a grad assistant working toward a PHD and UBER proud of your education.
Perhaps our personalities are just different but for as much as you have claimed victory in this thread, you keep returning... and restating the same things.. and re-quoting yourself... ad nauseum.
Perhaps our personalities are just different but for as much as you have claimed victory in this thread, you keep returning... and restating the same things.. and re-quoting yourself... ad nauseum.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:43 am to OBUDan
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Right, that worked AWESOME for this guy.
He dominated easy at Ole Miss cause he was physical freak that ran a 4.3...
Your point was irrelevant. Whether or QB is great running or throwing has nothing to do with their ability to dominate. Just because you perceive it to be easier to run than throw doesn't make it so....
God your arguments are pathetic. You are comparing a 6'2 205 lb pure speed guy with a 6'6 250 lb physical freak that can run over people and is actually under an OC worth a shite and not Coach O?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:44 am to LSUMafia
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not very good at times in getting players we need.
I've always believed this, just on gut feeling. Doesn't seem like Gary and Les would have the exact same offensive philosophies given their histories.
The question becomes, with another offensive coordinator with a philosophy similar to Miles, do we see continuity in the recruits for the system? I've always been a believer in getting recruits that fit your system more than looking at Scouts' rankings for overall player talent levels (star ratings and so forth).
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:44 am to LSUMafia
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How many DL did we recruit almost assuredly to move them to OL
2?
Again, we can talk attrition, recruiting classes all day long.
If there's anything I have knowledge on it's recruiting...
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:47 am to LSUMafia
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God your arguments are pathetic. You are comparing a 6'2 205 lb pure speed guy with a 6'6 250 lb physical freak that can run over people and is actually under an OC worth a shite and not Coach O?
Actually, you didn't mention any of these things. Here's what you said:
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There is a big difference between being a physical freak that can run, which is what Newton does great moreso than a passing QB that has to do more things as far as reading defenses
Schaffer, from all accounts, was a 6'5, 205 pound "physical freak that could run... moreso than a passing QB that has to do more things as far as reading defenses..."
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:47 am to OBUDan
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If there's anything I have knowledge on it's recruiting...
Yet seem to grasp football very poorly. You somehow think passing is much easier than running basically a wildcat/power running offense where the QB mainly runs and makes passes based on the fear of them running over you.
I still find it hilarious you are assuming that Mettenberger has the same likelihood for success as Cam Newton did.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:47 am to OBUDan
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To be this petulant, I'm guessing you are 22-25, probably a grad assistant working toward a PHD and UBER proud of your education.
Perhaps our personalities are just different but for as much as you have claimed victory in this thread, you keep returning... and restating the same things.. and re-quoting yourself... ad nauseum.
Incorrect statement on age. I already have a PhD. I have two bachelors degrees, one associates. I'm very proud of my education. I do not claim "victory" in this thread.
I'm merely pointing out your falsehood and you have serious issues with it. I have quoted myself and your statements repeatedly because you act as though our conversation never existed.
I do not see how our personalities differing have anything to do with facts.
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 3:48 am
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:49 am to OBUDan
Speed to me isn't a physical freak thing. 6'6 250 pounds with speed and agility as well as a strong and accurate arm on short to intermediate routes is however.
Again, now you want to assume I meant a running QB to try and cover your argument that Mett has just as much likelihood of being great like Cam Newton has been despite having no experience in real games and having to pick up a much more difficult offense most likely.
Again, now you want to assume I meant a running QB to try and cover your argument that Mett has just as much likelihood of being great like Cam Newton has been despite having no experience in real games and having to pick up a much more difficult offense most likely.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:50 am to LSUMafia
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You somehow think passing is much easier than running basically a wildcat/power running offense where the QB mainly runs and makes passes based on the fear of them running over you.
I still find it hilarious you are assuming that Mettenberger has the same likelihood for success as Cam Newton did.
I didn't do any of these things.
You assumed Mettenberger wouldn't have success (based on nothing really), so I merely presented an example of another player who played minimally and had immediate success. There's plenty of other guys, if you want.
Sam Bradford was a pretty decent RS Freshman pass only QB who had "never seen a FBS snap."
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:51 am to OBUDan
And again, if UF has as much attrition as LSU, why hasn't it hurt them the past 4 seasons until this one where they managed to win 13 games in 3 of the last 4 seasons?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:52 am to LSUMafia
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6'6 250 pounds with speed and agility as well as a strong and accurate arm on short to intermediate routes is however.
Chris Landry's take on him is pretty interesting. That's for another day, however.
Good luck in having any sort of substantive discussion with Dan. Hope I've mushed him up enough for you.
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