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re: Mediocre is 2 - 9 versus ranked teams over the last 2.5+ seasons
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Not sure how you can interpret you rantings about the talent not being there any other way.
I said already that it had a lot to do with attrition...through no fault of Miles'...
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Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:11 am to OBUDan
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This is such a pathetic straw man.
not when you backed out of it. You got called out on it, tried to define a word by throwing your own definitions behind it, which just isn't true.
You can say what you want, but it doesn't change the fact that your statement is factually wrong, especially when it's presented as such.
I realize you don't want to admit you're wrong, but you're just getting silly. Now, that's an opinion, but it's not like you can prove it wrong now is it?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:13 am to jdrumdog
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This is your original statement Dan. You even made sure to capitalize "THE" to make it inherently clear that this is irrefutable....unless you just decided to highlight that one word just for the hell of it.
It's ok, but that statement is inherently wrong. I can't believe you don't understand this, I suppose I gave you more credit for being logical and a tad bit more intelligent.
Right, those are my statements.
Once released from my world, they are freely put into space for open interpretation.
Your interpretation is that I'm somehow stating it as resolute fact as if I said, there are 50 states!
It's a message board dude, I'm not going to disclaimer every fricking post I write just so you can fully understand what's an opinion and what's not.
It's not my fault you interpreted opinion to be fact...
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:15 am to jdrumdog
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You're just being stupid at this point. Please don't be. You should be better than that. Don't sink to that idiotic level, please keep your wits about you.
Naw man, you presented that as FACT.
You told me this is the definition the definition is something about horses. You obviously meant that as FACT because it's a dictionary definition and that's what you meant.
^is about as logical as what you are trying to argue I did...
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:15 am to OBUDan
LSU has the talent, except QB to compete for the SEC this year. Next year, LSU should be a national contender.
Do you feel these statements are accurate?
Also, attrition .... outside of injury falls back on coaching and recruiting. If LSU were truly successful at recruiting it would have effective backups.
Do you feel these statements are accurate?
Also, attrition .... outside of injury falls back on coaching and recruiting. If LSU were truly successful at recruiting it would have effective backups.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:16 am to jdrumdog
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You can say what you want, but it doesn't change the fact that your statement is factually wrong, especially when it's presented as such.
There was nothing "Factual" about my statement so it can't be "factually" wrong.
You are really grasping for something that's not there...
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:17 am to OBUDan
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It's not my fault you interpreted opinion to be fact...
Not my fault you presented it as such.
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Your interpretation is that I'm somehow stating it as resolute fact as if I said, there are 50 states!
You did. You even highlighted the word "THE" by capitalizing it. I clearly disproved your statement is inherently false, your statement is WRONG by all factual accounts to the contrary.
You can argue about it all you want, but you're wrong.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:18 am to OBUDan
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There was nothing "Factual" about my statement so it can't be "factually" wrong.
You are really grasping for something that's not there...
Dan, if you want, I can provide an analysis of your very statement that proves it is indeed presented as a fact. Would you like a contextual and word by word analysis? I would be happy to provide such. Your statement inherently limits itself to a microcosm, it doesn't allow for open interpretation.
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 1:19 am
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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LSU has the talent, except QB to compete for the SEC this year. Next year, LSU should be a national contender.
Do you feel these statements are accurate?
Sure, but now we are talking about 2010 and 2011 LSU.
Not 2008 and 2009 LSU, as I was with the recruiting posts.
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Also, attrition .... outside of injury falls back on coaching and recruiting. If LSU were truly successful at recruiting it would have effective backups.
I would tend to agree, but in those years we just suffered unusually high attrition at the same positions.
I mean, we lost like 5 OL in two years because they were frick ups and did stupid stuff and Miles didn't just say... "aw, frick it, you can stay on the team" as Meyer has done at UF.
Now, if you want to take this into.."you should know what type of kid you are recruiting" blah blah... then you are getting into murky waters, because every major program recruits top-notch athletes with suspect moral/legal histories.
We didn't have effective backups in 2008 and 2009 because the guys who were supposed to be effective backups were forced to be starting.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:24 am to jdrumdog
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You did. You even highlighted the word "THE" by capitalizing it. I clearly disproved your statement is inherently false, your statement is WRONG by all factual accounts to the contrary.
You can argue about it all you want, but you're wrong.
Dude, you are really going to tell me I'm wrong on an issue of how YOU interpreted a statement?
Okay, here's your scenario (this is exactly the same thing in different terms):
-OP comes in and starts a thread saying red heads are mediocre, not a lot of hot ones in the world
-Thread carries on for six or seven pages of people saying this chick is hot, this chick is not, I love big tits, I like round asses, I like long hair blah blah.
-I chime in:
"Blondes are THE most overrated girls in the world."
Is this fact? Is it presented as fact? Would you interpret that as fact?
No. No. and No.
It's a fricking message board.
You interpreted my statement wrong and tried to extrapolate some greater meaning from it than actually existed. It's fine, it happens.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:24 am to jdrumdog
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Dan, if you want, I can provide an analysis of your very statement that proves it is indeed presented as a fact. Would you like a contextual and word by word analysis? I would be happy to provide such. Your statement inherently limits itself to a microcosm, it doesn't allow for open interpretation.
Wow dude, I think you just need to stop if you are really arguing about this.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:24 am to jdrumdog
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Dan, if you want, I can provide an analysis of your very statement that proves it is indeed presented as a fact. Would you like a contextual and word by word analysis? I would be happy to provide such. Your statement inherently limits itself to a microcosm, it doesn't allow for open interpretation.
There's no need really, because I just proved how stupid your "point" is above.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:29 am to OBUDan
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You interpreted my statement wrong and tried to extrapolate some greater meaning from it than actually existed. It's fine, it happens.
Incorrect.
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"Blondes are THE most overrated girls in the world."
Is this fact? Is it presented as fact? Would you interpret that as fact?
No, this is not a fact, it is a false statement. You have presented it as a fact, but it is not.
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You interpreted my statement wrong and tried to extrapolate some greater meaning from it than actually existed. It's fine, it happens.
On the contrary, extrapolating some greater meaning from it would have been assigning my own perceptions into your statement. However, I decided to view it factually. It is inherently false, your statement is wrong, as proved yet again. You can get angry all that you desire, but your statement is still wrong.
If anything, it certainly appears you have your own definition of "coaching" that certainly is wrong in itself. You might also possibly be guilty of trying to extrapolate further meaning into a word that certainly is bound by its own limitations.
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 1:30 am
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:29 am to OBUDan
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re: Mediocre is 2 - 9 versus ranked teams over the last 2.5+ seasons (Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:20 a.m. to RogerTheShrubber)
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LSU has the talent, except QB to compete for the SEC this year. Next year, LSU should be a national contender.
Do you feel these statements are accurate?
Sure, but now we are talking about 2010 and 2011 LSU.
So if LSU finishes 3rd or 4th in the West this year you can safely say it has underperformed?
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I would tend to agree, but in those years we just suffered unusually high attrition at the same positions.
It is becoming apparent that there is no legitimate problem this team could have that could be attributed to the head coach, in your opinion.
The HC is an executive position today and he is responsible for it all.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:31 am to OBUDan
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There's no need really, because I just proved how stupid your "point" is above.
Also a false statement, lol. However, if you'd like to put that out there as an OPINION, I'll gladly take it. You haven't presented it as such, however. Your statement above is an absolute, of course.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:31 am to jdrumdog
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On the contrary, extrapolating some greater meaning from it would have been assigning my own perceptions into your statement. However, I decided to view it factually. It is inherently false, your statement is wrong, as proved yet again. You can get angry all that you desire, but your statement is still wrong.
:lol: Dude you didn't do any of this.
But I'm not going to keep arguing with you regarding what is and isn't presented as fact as you seem to have very little understanding of either context or your role in this whole process.
I'm not angry in the slightest, I just find it humorous that you think you've won some intellectual battle that you haven't.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:36 am to OBUDan
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But I'm not going to keep arguing with you regarding what is and isn't presented as fact as you seem to have very little understanding of either context or your role in this whole process
I understand. It's hard to argue a fact that isn't a fact, it just isn't plausible.
I offered a word by word analysis, context included. I can provide this if you would so desire. My role in this process was to prove your statement false. I have done so, thanks to the English language and your inability to stray away from absolute argumentative subject matter.
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I'm not angry in the slightest, I just find it humorous that you think you've won some intellectual battle that you haven't.
I'm not here to win an intellectual battle. Your statement was absolutely false and a lie. It's proven as such. There really is no argument against it. If it didn't bother you, you wouldn't still be responding to either me or Roger for that matter.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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So if LSU finishes 3rd or 4th in the West this year you can safely say it has underperformed?
Let's see what happens.
If Auburn has one loss and Bama has one loss, is finishing 3rd an absolute failure if our two losses are to both of them only?
Every season has it's own context... it's own variables.
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It is becoming apparent that there is no legitimate problem this team could have that could be attributed to the head coach, in your opinion.
The HC is an executive position today and he is responsible for it all.
Now you are just generalizing about things, even though I've specifically mentioned things throughout the thread that are the fault of Miles.
But sure, I'll lay them out for you:
A) The Co-DC experiment was a disaster.
It was rightly fixed in one year. I think Miles figured at the time... I have a stud QB coming back, most of my offense in place... defensive continuity is the way to go. A couple months later the QB is gone, you're stuck with the shite.. moral of the story: having good coaches trumps continuity. It was a poor decision by Miles.
B) Clock management issues.
Has been a problem in several games. Would LOVE to see Miles take firmer control of it (as I've stated earlier). I think some of it has to do with poor communication between a shitty OC and him.
C) QB Development and Evaluation
Neither guy has been good. This goes to the OC problem (which I think is one Miles wanted to fix but wasn't allowed to for whatever reason). But a good QB coach should have been brought in.
There's a few things I can fault Miles for.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:42 am to OBUDan
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Now you are just generalizing about things, even though I've specifically mentioned things throughout the thread that are the fault of Miles.
so its not ok for roger to generalize, but you can generalize what the head coach entails? Did you not, by your own definition, generalize Miles' job and responsibilities?
Maybe you've had too much to drink. Dan, I apologize. Your hypocrisy and lack of intelligence seems overwhelming tonight.
Since it probably would drive you insane not to get the last word in, you can have all the "battles" won here tonight, friend, if it makes you sleep easier.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:45 am to OBUDan
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Let's see what happens.
If Auburn has one loss and Bama has one loss, is finishing 3rd an absolute failure if our two losses are to both of them only?
Every season has it's own context... it's own variables.
I agree with this with the exception that a string of individual seasons show a pattern and we are stuck in this pattern with horrible play on one side of the ball or the other. I give Miles credit for hiring Chavis and seemingly fixing some of the defensive problems though.
It is too early to throw in the towel on this one but like all threads this one can be revisited after the season.
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