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re: "mallory and peveto doing a great job"

Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:15 pm to
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:15 pm to
do you really think they are going to be ok with being demoted? seriously how embarrassing to them. You can stay here but you have to now do as this new guy says that is taken the position you once had bc you failed horribly at it.

I just don't see them being ok ill go back to being a position coach at LSU and work under a new dc. I think after being a dc they would leave and go to a new school and back to position coaches
Posted by The Levee
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:15 pm to
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Posted by Sammich
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:17 pm to
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I pointed out that he has been incharge of our special teams and fricked it up. I know more about LSU than you.


Put your Playstation away pookie. You still don't know what Peveto does at LSU.
This post was edited on 10/27/08 at 1:19 pm
Posted by deuce985
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:18 pm to
Derby at his finest again.

I think its a matter of just too much workload for these guy. Like I've said, they are good position coaches but they can't handle the extra baggage at DC. I seem to remember us having a pretty dominant secondary the past few years, as well as solid LB play. Both of which positions they coached. Last year kinda slid a bit because of injuries but they still did a good job.

I just think Derby roots for LSU LBs to play bad because he sure was all over that topic before the season started
Posted by Derby Tigah
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:21 pm to
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Knowshon didn't average 10 yards a carry.


until they began to run out the clock he did...when the game really mattered
Posted by Dobermann
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:22 pm to
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the situation is hopeless


Historically, LSU has zero-tolerance for crappy defense. Expect these guys to follow the path of Tepper/Dinardo, Archer, Stovall. All were given the quick boot for bad defense(except tepper, but took Gerry D down with him). Hallman hung around longer because Phil Bennett had a respectable defense. Crowton is the only reason we are not 0-5 in SEC play.
Posted by Derby Tigah
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:24 pm to
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I just think Derby roots for LSU LBs to play bad because he sure was all over that topic before the season started


I want to win...but you can't do it with bad players... we have bad players at LB aside from Darry, who is a shell of his former self

Go watch #11 in all game film this year...I can tackle better... and #54..don't get me started
Posted by deuce985
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:24 pm to
Levee you have a good point but answer me this, why is the same players from last year not playing consistently too? The entire defense is playing bad right now. Curtis Taylor is blowing coverages all season and hes a senior. I don't remember him doing that much from last year. Don't you think that lies on coaching because of "discipline"?

Do you seriously want to take a chance at another year with these guys at DC? We're not a Ole Miss program. They got their chance, they haven't done a good job, time to move on if things don't improve through the season. LSU's pride and tradition has always been their defense, you're on a short string when you're coaching our defense...
This post was edited on 10/27/08 at 1:25 pm
Posted by Sammich
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:24 pm to
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until they began to run out the clock he did...when the game really mattered


Nope. And most of it came on that 68 yarder when C.Taylor missed his tackle.
Posted by Tigahs
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:25 pm to
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He blamed the defensive problems on the players not playing consistently.


wow, I kind of lost a little respect for Miles in doing that.

I know a starting player on defense and he told me horror stories about the d-coordinators:

a) they didn't decide how to approach the Tebow-Florida offense even by the Friday before the game

b) those blitzes you saw in the South Carolina game, the players came up w/ those the Wed. before the game

c) Chad Jones is not being played due to Mallory's loyalty to Coleman, he was the one that recruited him

d) he [the starting player I spoke with] cannot figure out why Patrick Peterson has just started getting playing time, he should be starting and playing all game now.
Posted by Bad Cat
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:25 pm to
We would have to know each players responsibility on each play and see how well they performed. If each assignment was played correctly and the scheme failed, then the RANTards would be correct.

Who among you have sat through the film sessions on each player?
Posted by Sammich
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:28 pm to
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wow, I kind of lost a little respect for Miles in doing that.


Tigahs you & your screwed up family never liked the hire anyway. "Lost a little respect"
Posted by The312
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:33 pm to
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..or a guy on another team being much much faster..yeah that "Coaching" on this board.


What players are you referring to? Whose faster?

Are you alluding to the play where one of our safeties was covering their WR? Because that is a mismatch that offensive coordinators shouldn't be able to generate at will. And yet they have done just that repeatedly this season against LSU. Once again, on Saturday, UGA merely had to move their WR to the slot in order to create that mismatch time and time again. Once again, Mallory and Peveto made no effective personnel or scheme changes.

That's a COACHING error.

Or are you talking about the play where Jai got beat deep in one on one coverage? If so, Jai stumbled on that play, so I am dubious of your speed claim. Second of all, that play occured on an LSU blitz. The entire point of a blitz on long passing downs is to get to the QB BEFORE the deep route has time to develop. No corner will survive on an island for long. Unfortunately, LSU's blitzes are so transparent and telegraphed, so late and poorly timed, that an offensive line composed of septegenarians could pick them up. The QB remains unmolested and has plenty of time to casually abuse our CB's.

Or maybe you are referring to the long play where two members of our secondary both covered the same underneath route, leaving an UGA receiver completely alone to trot thirty yards down the sideline. That sort of confusion is symptomatic of poor instruction in practice and poor coaching.

In any event, I have no idea what your vague "speed" post was a reference to, but it's pretty clear that you don't understand how those apparent speed mistmatches are a function of playcalling and scheme in a great number of instances.
Posted by The Levee
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:33 pm to
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Posted by therocketscientist
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:35 pm to
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I wouldn't mind seeing them stay as position coaches like they were


Who was responsible for the LB's last year? If it was one of them, they MUST GO. Our LB's have been lost for a long time.
Posted by Tigahs
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:35 pm to
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Tigahs you & your screwed up family never liked the hire anyway. "Lost a little respect"


no, Pops and I have never been sold on Miles completely,

SpidermanTUba is the biggest Miles fan I've ever encountered, makes the Miles fans on here look tame, TUBA is damn-near delusional in his support for Miles
Posted by Martavius
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:39 pm to
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Peveo ino longer coaches special teams at LSU.

And ST play is head and shoulders above what it was last year. Mere coincidence?
Posted by Sammich
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:51 pm to
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What players are you referring to? Whose faster?


Is this a joke?? Percy Harvin & speedsters Demps & Rainey. Name a few LSU Sateties or CB's besides true Freshman Patrick Peterson who is as fast a them. Might be a reason Harvin will be a really high draft pick?


Than we move to the Defense. Did you happen to notice Florida LB'er Brandon Spikes seemed quite a bit faster than any LB'er LSU has with the exception of true Freshman Ryan Baker? Beckwith is a great player, but Spikes is bigger & faster.

Knowshon Moreno, held in check for most of the game. But when Safety Curtis Taylor missed a simple tackle at the line of scrimmage - 68 yard TD.

Of course this is ALL Coaching Error according to you.
This post was edited on 10/27/08 at 2:05 pm
Posted by Derby Tigah
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 2:19 pm to
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Nope. And most of it came on that 68 yarder when C.Taylor missed his tackle.


he was averaging 10+ YARDS per carry WELL INTO the game... go back and watch it again
Posted by The312
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 2:28 pm to
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Percy Harvin & speedsters Demps & Rainey. Name a few LSU Sateties or CB's besides true Freshman Patrick Peterson who is as fast a them. Might be a reason Harvin will be a really high draft pick?


Jesus, you really are a numbnuts. Harvin was able to get free on BOTH of his first half TD's because he was in the slot and was covered by a nicke lback, LB, or safety. Go watch the tape. That is EXACTLY the sort of schematic mismatch that I alluded to in my first post. Peveto and Mallory have done nothing to adjust. UGA did the EXACT same thing.

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But when Safety Curtis Taylor missed a simple tackle at the line of scrimmage - 68 yard TD.


This has nothing to do with speed.

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Than we move to the Defense. Did you happen to notice Florida LB'er Brandon Spikes seemed quite a bit faster than any LB'er LSU has with the exception of true Freshman Ryan Baker? Beckwith is a great player, but Spikes is bigger & faster.


This is the most nonsensical argument that I ever seen. We were discussing why the LSU DEFENSE has struggled. You alleged (vaguely) that the opposing offensive players were faster than LSU, which accounted for our difficulties. I pointed out that the putative soeed mismatches are often a resulf or poor playcalling or design. In response, you now assert that the Florida DEFENSE is faster than the LSU DEFENSE. Huh? That has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of this thread. Was Spikes carrying the ball against LSU?
This post was edited on 10/27/08 at 2:33 pm
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