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re: LSUAD is videotaping students chanting obscenities.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:05 pm to ballscaster
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:05 pm to ballscaster
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When a crowd chants STTDB, you think of bestiality. When a crowd chants STTDB, I think of football.
You're broken beyond repair Balls
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Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:06 pm to ballscaster
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When you improve upon your personal character level to the point that you can tolerate the free speech of others, then you will be qualified to speak to the rest of us in this debate.
Again with this point. Most people tolerate the free speech of others however it is a fallacy to think that there are never consequences that result from exercising "free speech".
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:10 pm to sardog12
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fallacy to think that there are never consequences that result from exercising "free speech".
This is one side of the equation they are not even looking at. I mentioned this earlier. If you're standing there yelling STTDB..whats to stop the guy next to you from clocking you one....consequences. You may believe you have the legal justification to yell it...but then how does that fix your broken jaw?
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:11 pm to sardog12
quote:You would have a good point had I not openly aligned my stance with the following.
Again with this point. Most people tolerate the free speech of others however it is a fallacy to think that there are never consequences that result from exercising "free speech".
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I believe the students should be allowed the right to define themselves and brand themselves however they wish. If they want to come across as trashy, disrespectful idiots... then let them. These are college students. They are adults. Who are we to look at them like some sort of "super adult" who needs to hold their hand in everything they do? As long as the students are comfortable with everyone thinking they are moronic and sexually retarded, then fine. We will be proud of them, our vulgar, mentally stunted, adult student fan base.
In no way have I even hinted that I think speech does not have inherent consequences. If speech were a crime, then I would hope for it to be policed. But speech isn't a crime. Policing it is.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:11 pm to RedTigerRulz
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You may believe you have the legal justification to yell it...but then how does that fix your broken jaw?
You do have a legal justification to yell it. No one has a legal justification to break your jaw. How do you remember to breathe?
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:13 pm to RedTigerRulz
quote:Legal.
If you're standing there yelling STTDB
quote:Felony assault.
whats to stop the guy next to you from clocking you one.
Man, what a shitty point.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:14 pm to LNCHBOX
Box I actually agree with you on how to best address the problem. But I think you give short change to the reality of how many people hate it and want it gone.
STTDB has been explained here in this thread as just a nonsense football chant. Well the mere fact that it has created such a furor shows that it's more than that.
I don't think that opposing opinion can be just dismissed because you won't agree that it's more than a chant.
I think LSU is making a dumb choice in making it such a big deal, but I feel they have the right to make said dumb choice. It's not a free speech issue.
Just because you say the phrase suck a dick isn't offensive cuz it's nonsense doesn't mean that settles it. A lot of people are in direct opposition to that view. Their view is equally valid.
All speech is not equal under our laws and it is regulated all the time.
STTDB has been explained here in this thread as just a nonsense football chant. Well the mere fact that it has created such a furor shows that it's more than that.
I don't think that opposing opinion can be just dismissed because you won't agree that it's more than a chant.
I think LSU is making a dumb choice in making it such a big deal, but I feel they have the right to make said dumb choice. It's not a free speech issue.
Just because you say the phrase suck a dick isn't offensive cuz it's nonsense doesn't mean that settles it. A lot of people are in direct opposition to that view. Their view is equally valid.
All speech is not equal under our laws and it is regulated all the time.
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:15 pm to LNCHBOX
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How do you remember to breathe?
I seriously think the people against the STTDB in this thread are missing the point, by a mile. I think y'all are on two different arguments and they haven't quite realized what is being talked about. All they know is " STTDB is terrible, ban it, arrest them, take tickets away"
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:15 pm to LNCHBOX
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You do have a legal justification to yell it. No one has a legal justification to break your jaw
Youre making the misguided assumption that everyone is a law-abiding citizen and actually cares whether they go to jail or not. You've been in TS...how can you make this assumption?
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:15 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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But I think you give short change to the reality of how many people hate it and want it gone.
No I don't. I just have better things to concern myself with. There is only one way to stop it, anything else is a waste.
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I think LSU is making a dumb choice in making it such a big deal, but I feel they have the right to make said dumb choice
I agree.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:16 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Youre making the misguided assumption that everyone is a law-abiding citizen and actually cares whether they go to jail or not.
No, I'm stating facts, not making an assumption. I'm well aware you can break the law and break a jaw.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:16 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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Their view is equally valid.
NOT if it contradicts what they say.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:18 pm to RedTigerRulz
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NOT if it contradicts what they say.
You really have no idea what's going on in this thread.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:19 pm to extremetigerfanatic
quote:Absolutely wrong. It is not for you to decide what someone else means by his speech. It is obvious that the 10,000 people chanting STTDB are in no way expressing an actual interest in bestiality.
STTDB has been explained here in this thread as just a nonsense football chant. Well the mere fact that it has created such a furor shows that it's more than that.
quote:No, their view is completely invalid unless the phrase is being directed toward them.
Just because you say the phrase suck a dick isn't offensive cuz it's nonsense doesn't mean that settles it. A lot of people are in direct opposition to that view. Their view is equally valid.
If someone commands you to blow him, that is sexual harassment if the advance is unwanted.
If you happen to be within earshot of somebody saying STTDB to no one in particular, that is none of your business.
Let's not confuse college football chants with crimes here.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:20 pm to LNCHBOX
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I really have no idea what's going on in my head.
FIFY
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:21 pm to ballscaster
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In no way have I even hinted that I think speech does not have inherent consequences. If speech were a crime, then I would hope for it to be policed. But speech isn't a crime. Policing it is.
And I have easily refuted this with the examples that while free speech is protected to an extent, you are not free (nor should you be) to threaten someone else, or scream "fire" or "gun" in a crowded theater without consequences. They university has attempted to remove the origin of the chant and this had no effect. They they asked as politely as they could for students to respect the image of the university and this has no effect. IMO, they have done everything that they should reasonably be expected to do before taking the next step, which is what we are discussing now. You disagree. Ok. However your disagreement doesn't make my point any less valid and it doesn't change the fact that neither you nor I have any direct input in the decision making of the university. Therefore none of us here (unless they work for the university or staff making the decisions) are the name that you try to label us as, "language police". Essentially, we just agree or disagree with the university enforcing its policies.
Also, Box, sorry I likely used too big of sentences for you but try to keep up.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:23 pm to RedTigerRulz
GOOD ONE !! !!!!11!1!111111
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:24 pm to ballscaster
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STTDB in the student section is not obscene.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:25 pm to sardog12
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they have done everything that they should reasonably be expected to do before taking the next step, which is what we are discussing now
The only next step that will work is to stop playing the song. Balls and other are upset that the university is wasting time and money trying to do all of this crap that won't work.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:25 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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Box I actually agree with you on how to best address the problem.
Actually, I disagree with this although I would love to agree. Fact is it just won't work. They tried to remove it for a while and the students kept chanting it anyway. I don't think a longer period of time will help. They have chosen this as a "rally cry" regardless of how stupid that is. Someone here even offered the argument that if the songs were brought back and the players asked the students to be respectful, that it would help. We all know how that turned out.
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