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re: LSU was snake-bitten last year.

Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:18 pm to
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
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Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:18 pm to
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And he had over a month to prepare for those games


Ole Miss '05
Arizona '06
Kentucky '06
Ole Miss '07
UT '07 (with a backup QB)
Georgia Tech '08
Auburn '09
Posted by cggeaxtigers
Southeastern, North America
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:24 pm to
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Miami? Notre Dame? Ohio State?


Miami = 2004 - 5 season
Notre Dame = 2006 - 7 season

My comments are on the "last few years" - since the NC.

I forgot Georgia Tech - that was a dominant performance.

See my comments about his being a "big game coach."
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
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Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:25 pm to
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So did Miami, Notre Dame, and Ohio State



Miami didn't even want to be there. ND was a sham, And OSU was slow as shite.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:27 pm to
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Miami didn't even want to be there. ND was a sham, And OSU was slow as shite.


amazing..
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:28 pm to
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My comments are on the "last few years" - since the NC.


sorry...i missed that part.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33265 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:29 pm to
Good post. I am a negatiger but also a realist. The points you make are all well taken, we did not have our share of good luck last year. That being said, good teams find a way to overcome their luck. It all starts with talent, leadership, coaching, and strategizing. We are in sore need of leadership from the players on this team, and Les Miles is severely lacking in leadership qualities as a coach. Moreover, Les has severe deficiencies when it comes to strategy, play calling and choosing the right weapons on the field.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33265 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:33 pm to
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Questions: Can a coach produce a well-prepared and well-disciplined team in one season, and produce a not well-prepared and not well-disciplined team in another season? And if that is the case, do you consider the coach to have been a "bad coach" in one season and a "good coach" in the other? Or would you consider the quality of the coach to have been the same with differing results due to other factors (like a "good hitter" going 1-4 one day and 5-5 the next)?
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This would be an excellent question for Nuts4LSU...considering he pegged Miles as the best coach in the SEC just 2 short years ago.
I think it's pretty simple. He was behaving "mostly" as a good coach, until he "got paid". Then his performance has dropped off considerably. Not sure why that's so hard to understand, sometimes people try harder or perform better, even within a small timeframe. Life isn't static, people don't stay the same way all of the time.
This post was edited on 6/30/10 at 12:34 pm
Posted by Tigerwaffe
Orlando
Member since Sep 2007
4975 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:34 pm to
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Bad weather against Penn State. That field played right into the hands of Penn State. It negated our speed and quickness, and let Penn State use their size.

I was at that game, and the truth is the fastest players on the field were PSU's QB and two RBs. Maybe they had more experience playing in cold weather, but they handles the field a lot better than our offense did.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296743 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:40 pm to
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I was at that game, and the truth is the fastest players on the field were PSU's QB and two RBs. Maybe they had more experience playing in cold weather, but they handles the field a lot better than our offense did.



yeah, all that "it played into the hands of Penn State" crap is bullshite. They outplayed LSU and won. LSU had a chance to win at the end and screwed it up. Hopefully this team will get over the hump and win a game vs a decent team this year.

LSU didn't make things happen when they needed to make things happen this year. Very much unlike what happened in '07. Hopefully this team, this year will develop the traits of a winner, like the team in '07 had.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12728 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:40 pm to
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the fact remains that frank incompentence remains in a (head)coaching capacity.
Clearly that is not a fact but rather an assertion of subjective opinion. But it does make me wonder (in the vein of my earlier unanswered question):
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i truly hope you are right and i am wrong!
What would make you believe that you are in fact wrong? Miles has already won a National Championship, so clearly success as a head coach is not enough to dissuade you from your opinion. He has won big and huge games with gutsy, savvy calls (most notably, Florida '07), so excellent game management and decision making are not enough to convince you. I wonder if you could lay our some objective, measurable criteria that could occur to actually convince you that you are wrong?

(this question also applies to any Miles-basher with at least enough intelligence/guts to admit there is a possibility they could be wrong)

Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:40 pm to
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Life isn't static, people don't stay the same way all of the time.


Much like our situations at QB and o-line....which i believe had more to do with the last two years than supposedly Miles all of sudden becoming a shitty coach.
Posted by Books
BR
Member since Jun 2005
11174 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:41 pm to
QB and Oline are now responsible for the clusterfrick defense of '08 now?
Posted by Boh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
12361 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:44 pm to
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it's amazing how he's managed to win so many games.

so you're saying that last year he impressed you with his clock management and our organization on gameday? you're kidding yourself. i like him but come on. i know he won a championship and i don't give saban all the credit bc he probably wasn't on the phone with saban every night asking him what to do.

it'll take a lot this year to get him back into the good graces of the majority of the fanbase. throwing JJ under the bus was unacceptable after the Ole Piss debacle, which was just a huge embarrassment for LSU
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:50 pm to
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QB and Oline are now responsible for the clusterfrick defense of '08 now?


no...but when your defense is on the field 70% of the game because your QB keeps throwing the ball up for grabs it doesn't help.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12728 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:51 pm to
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He was behaving "mostly" as a good coach, until he "got paid". Then his performance has dropped off considerably
Does this mean you think he was a good coach in 2005 or 2006 or 2007, but became a bad coach in 2008 & 2009?

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Not sure why that's so hard to understand, sometimes people try harder or perform better, even within a small timeframe. Life isn't static, people don't stay the same way all of the time.
Does this mean that you think Miles is a really good coach who quit trying the last couple of years?

I really want to understand the thought process here. I feel like the people bashing Miles at present would be watching Derek Jeter bat and decide that he's a bad hitter every time he strikes out, then decide that he has become a good hitter the next time he gets a hit, then decide he has become a bad hitter again when he strikes out again, etc.

For myself, I find it nearly inexplicable for a coach to be a bad coach one year, a good coach the next year, a bad coach the next year, etc., etc. I would assume that most coaches go through a general period of improvement early in their career as they gain maturity and experience, and usually suffer somewhat of a dropoff period late in their lives (if they coach that long) due to the effects of aging, or burnout, or similar long-term conditions. The notion that a coach was excellent one year, then horrible the next year, then good the following year seems nonsensical. If a team with the same coach goes 12-1, 8-5, 11-2, 10-3, 7-6 and 13-0, that would not suggest at all to me that the coach was any better or worse of a coach during any of those seasons, but rather that he was a good coach that tended towards significant inconsistency, probably as a result of risky decisionmaking that happened to work out for the best some years, and blew up in his face in other years.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296743 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:52 pm to

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no...but when your defense is on the field 70% of the game because your QB keeps throwing the ball up for grabs it doesn't help.


You need to review the stats for the last two seasons. chief. They don't agree with your assessment.
Posted by Bobby Moore
Red Hill, Mississippi
Member since Jun 2005
17751 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:53 pm to
agree
Posted by Books
BR
Member since Jun 2005
11174 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 12:53 pm to
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but when your defense is on the field 70% of the game because your QB keeps throwing the ball up for grabs it doesn't help.
you fail to mention that a lot of that throwing the ball around was bc of a terrible defense and a clueless staff
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33265 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 1:11 pm to
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Does this mean you think he was a good coach in 2005 or 2006 or 2007, but became a bad coach in 2008 & 2009?
Have you never heard of in sports, a team, a coach, a player getting fat and happy after a championship season and getting lots of money? Are you seriously questioning that this ever happens? He was a good (not great) coach early on at LSU who had the benefit of some great players that had been "coached up" to be leaders, he also had the fortune of good luck and some good breaks, but even more importantly, he had balls and moxie and his team fed off of his confidence.

Now, not so much.

Did he lose confidence? I don't know
Did he quit trying as hard? I don't know
Did he make some bad decisions? Yes
Did he neglect to properly coach the players? Yes
Did he hire poor assistants and not punish them? Yes
Did he act like a leader? No
Did he prepare for games? No

You're skewed notion of "bad" or "good" implies that somehow that coach went through some radical personality transformation from year to year causing him to be bad one moment and good another- almost as if he forgot everything he learned and started over each year with a fresh slate of information. I'm saying that after he won it all, for some reason he made bad decisions the last two years, and and behaved (unlike the years before) in a way that was detrimental to his team.
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 1:16 pm to
it will get worse

or it will stay the same

or it will get better.


1. Capitol One bowl field is being done over. That wont happen again, there.

2. There will be bad calls. Maybe they will be against Ark, Bama and Florida, this time, instead of the other way around.

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