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re: LSU Squat Numbers

Posted on 7/16/11 at 7:32 pm to
Posted by Haplochrom
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Posted on 7/16/11 at 7:32 pm to
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Essentially yes.
The only people that walked away from moffitt's program with a sour taste in their mouth that i know of werent cut out for his program. there were a lot of grad assistants who thought they knew better, but they are still grad assistants at other schools or s&c at a podunk jc. the guy wins and he improves players. if you trained with his program and you still have problems with it, its you.
Posted by Dredsof DOOM
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 7/16/11 at 7:35 pm to
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if you trained with his program and you still have problems with it, its you.


Posted by astonvilla
New Jersey
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 7/16/11 at 7:39 pm to
where is memphis when we need him?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/16/11 at 8:30 pm to
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That isn't that impressive to me. I've regularly seen guys at the gym moving 500+ at around 200lbs body weight.


I'm sure they run 4.45 40s too. :rofl: Moffitt is an oly-style guy isn't he? He doesn't give a frick about ATG squats.. and neither do pros. Pros all over the world train in different ways.. some train like Moffitt, some don't. There's no magic program.. if there was, everyone would be on it. Philosophy and motivation are equally important.

There is a huge fricking difference between a power lifter (posting large squat numbers) and a collegiate football player. You have freaks who combine the two like Mike Ford, Trent Richardson, etc.. but there is a world of difference in between the two. I've known a ton of fat fricks who could move an arse load of weight.. and they really weren't that athletic in any way. Btw.. this is from the video -- thats a pretty low 'chair'

This post was edited on 7/16/11 at 8:42 pm
Posted by Dredsof DOOM
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 7/16/11 at 8:42 pm to
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I've known a ton of fat fricks who could move an arse load of weight.


Okay our line is moving 506 and one is moving 523 and they are "fat fricks."

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thats a pretty low 'chair'


That's 90 degrees with assistance from the spot.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/16/11 at 8:46 pm to
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Okay our line is moving 506 and one is moving 523 and they are "fat fricks."


And we had a pretty damn good OL last year, problem? You consistently miss the point -- a power lifter is going to squat extremely high numbers.. by design.. a football player usually won't squat like that. But I bet he does other stuff much better. It's life.. you can't be great at it all. I'd rather my OL be good at blocking than at squatting obscene numbers.

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That's 90 degrees with assistance from the spot.


It's obviously not a max.. and fundamentally no different than using a suit.. so again.. problem?
This post was edited on 7/16/11 at 8:52 pm
Posted by Hitchcock
Member since Oct 2008
2889 posts
Posted on 7/16/11 at 8:48 pm to
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Okay our line is moving 506 and one is moving 523 and they are "fat fricks."



ATG..what the military tells the swabbo's & grunts.

Not applicable to college football because of needess severe knee strains, ACL's & other various torn cartilage damage.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/16/11 at 8:49 pm to
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Not applicable to college football because of needess severe knee strains, ACL's & other various torn cartilage damage.


ATG is just as safe
Posted by Hitchcock
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 7/16/11 at 8:53 pm to
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ATG is just as safe


when our arse is an 1" off the ground, where is the stress point?

It's safe with lower weights in CFB.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 7/16/11 at 8:54 pm to
I vote for this guy to be banned. Where ya at Chicken.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/16/11 at 8:54 pm to
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when our arse is an 1" off the ground, where is the stress point?

It's safe with lower weights in CFB.


nah ATG is just as safe. it's preference, really.
Posted by Dredsof DOOM
Member since Jun 2011
206 posts
Posted on 7/16/11 at 8:57 pm to
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I'd rather my OL be good at blocking than at squatting obscene numbers.



There is a direct correlation between the two though.

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It's obviously not a max.. and fundamentally no different than using a suit.. so again.. problem?


No one has brought up the use of a suit or knee/ankle supports.
Posted by Haplochrom
Member since Aug 2006
4022 posts
Posted on 7/16/11 at 9:30 pm to
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There is a direct correlation between the two though.
orly?? Please tell us.
Posted by Dredsof DOOM
Member since Jun 2011
206 posts
Posted on 7/16/11 at 9:31 pm to
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orly?? Please tell us.


Pretty common sense higher squat=more power.
Posted by Hitchcock
Member since Oct 2008
2889 posts
Posted on 7/16/11 at 9:33 pm to
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Pretty common sense higher squat=more power.


Do squats make a player quicker & more agile?
Posted by Dredsof DOOM
Member since Jun 2011
206 posts
Posted on 7/16/11 at 9:41 pm to
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Do squats make a player quicker & more agile?


More explosive
Posted by Haplochrom
Member since Aug 2006
4022 posts
Posted on 7/16/11 at 9:42 pm to
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Pretty common sense higher squat=more power.


not true. If you are familiar with moffitt, you would know this. Moving faster with submaximal weight has a higher power output than grinding through a 100% lift. Train slow, play slow.
Posted by Dredsof DOOM
Member since Jun 2011
206 posts
Posted on 7/16/11 at 9:45 pm to
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Moving faster with submaximal weight has a higher power output than grinding through a 100% lift.



That is what dudes in the gym curling 25lbs say too.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/16/11 at 9:49 pm to
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More explosive


When was the last time you heard an OL called explosive? :rofl:

fricking hilarious. Everyone agrees that it is good for our athletes to be strong.. but you're coming off as extremely biased in favor of power lifting.. the truth is the most optimal training regime is probably somewhere in the middle. Especially for athletes.

Bottom line is that they are receiving quality instruction from one of the leaders in the collegiate S&C world. It doesn't get much better than that.. and they are athletes.. focused on being athletic (and not on lifting as much weight as possible).
This post was edited on 7/16/11 at 9:50 pm
Posted by Haplochrom
Member since Aug 2006
4022 posts
Posted on 7/16/11 at 9:49 pm to
Moffitt was constantly using a tendo unit to fine tune the percentages for the most weight while being explosive. Its been a few years but ever since then the lift numbers are going down while the team plays better. A noticeable shift from big massive people and lifts to explosive smaller athletes.

I'll let someone else play with this a-hole, I'm not going to argue facts with his opinion.
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