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re: LSU needs to make a serious run at Herman and here's why.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:48 pm to beauchristopher
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:48 pm to beauchristopher
All good points.
So if LSU would have hired Kiffin after he was 10-2 at USC. Would we have been genius.
i am perfectly fine with either one of them . I like Kiffins offense better . I think Kiffins experience is broader and in college he has the experience of working in top flight conferences. More so than Hermann.
I am not sold anyone is a no brainer. Maybe JIMBO
So if LSU would have hired Kiffin after he was 10-2 at USC. Would we have been genius.
i am perfectly fine with either one of them . I like Kiffins offense better . I think Kiffins experience is broader and in college he has the experience of working in top flight conferences. More so than Hermann.
I am not sold anyone is a no brainer. Maybe JIMBO
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Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:49 pm to Pmtiger
quote:
He has been with the best ( PETE carrol and Saban )
Greatness in coaching isn't necessarily by affiliation. Look at how many of Bill Belichick's former assistants have bombed out as head coaches.
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Tennessee he takes a team from 5-6 to 7-5
Holy shite. That's quite the achievement.
I mean, how can Tom Herman compete with that? It's not like he took a previously 8-5 Houston team that hadn't won double digit games in a single season since 2011 and managed to record 13 victories and possibly an undefeated season if his quarterback doesn't get injured against UConn.
Man, Vol fans sure were lucky to have a 7-win season.
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USC he won there. 10-2 and was 3-2 when fired. While on probation. I believe he was 10-2 with 51 scholarship players.
The 2011 season is clearly his greatest achievement. Still, he got drummed by three touchdowns on the road against Arizona State in a game his team had no business losing.
And what does he do to top this overachieving season? He manages to lose six games in 2012, and his vaunted offense scored only 20 points combined in its final two games, including a mere touchdown against Georgia Tech in the Sun Bowl.
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:57 pm to Pmtiger
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honest question
Why is Herman a sure thing and Kiffin is not
Here are the resumes
1997–1998 Fresno State (assistant)
1999 Colorado State (GA)
2000 Jacksonville Jaguars (OQC)
2001 USC (TE)
2002–2004 USC (WR)
2005–2006 USC (PGC/OC)
2007–2008 Oakland Raiders
2009 Tennessee
2010–2013 USC
2014–present Alabama (OC/QB)
1998 Texas Lutheran (WR)
1999–2000 Texas (GA)
2001–2004 Sam Houston State (WR/ST)
2005–2006 Texas State (OC/QB)
2007–2008 Rice (OC/QB)
2009–2011 Iowa State (OC/QB)
2012–2014 Ohio State (OC/QB)
2015–present Houston
I am sorry there is no comparison to the resume and experience .
You're getting too caught up in the job positions and not the results achieved.
Kiffin is a phenomenal offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. He has succeeded in that regard at nearly every stop in his career.
However, he hasn't really taken a gamble with any of his career moves.
Herman on the other hand rose from the bottom rung of the college football ladder and has climbed his way up bit by bit.
Look at what Rice's offensive achievements were during his tenure compared to other seasons.
Look at Iowa State's offensive achievements apart from Herman's time there. Remember, it was Iowa State that knocked off previously undefeated Oklahoma State in 2011 which all but guaranteed Alabama a backdoor into the BCS National Championship.
In his final season at Ohio State, he had to operate with THREE different quarterbacks over the course of the season, including a freshman. All his third-string quarterback did was defy the odds and manage to reel off arguably the most impressive three-game stretch in the history of the sport.
Who wins frickin' national championships with their THIRD-STRING QB?!
Now, in less than two seasons, he has put Houston on the map by defeating two of the most storied programs in the sport and two of the winningest coaches of this century.
To top it all off, he doesn't possess the character flaws that Kiffen has. He has no blemishes on his record to-date.
There is no comparison between the two.
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 7:52 am
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:00 am to saint amant steve
Saint Amant Steve
I can go back and pick on what Herman did or did not accomplish as a 31 to 37 year old also. The fact remains Kiffin experienced that. Herman has not.
There is no comparison between the twos experience. See the resume above. They are both 41 . There is no doubt that hermans one year and one game of head coaching is impressive.
You make my point when you say Kiffin followed up his 10-2 season with a 6 loss season . We have one year to judge Herman as a head coach and really one season as an OC And most people frankly are looking at one game as an OC against Bama.
I can go back and pick on what Herman did or did not accomplish as a 31 to 37 year old also. The fact remains Kiffin experienced that. Herman has not.
There is no comparison between the twos experience. See the resume above. They are both 41 . There is no doubt that hermans one year and one game of head coaching is impressive.
You make my point when you say Kiffin followed up his 10-2 season with a 6 loss season . We have one year to judge Herman as a head coach and really one season as an OC And most people frankly are looking at one game as an OC against Bama.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:01 am to slackster
Lane Kiffen, still is immature and Due to that Saban rarely lets him speak. After his win over USC an previous players and coaches came over to shake his hand - he immediately goes to Twitter to bash them like a 19 year old child. He is reportedly on websites for dating people who are just one night stands. Also every where he goes he wears his welcome out. Lastly his. Ex wife an children are in California and he would like to move out west to see his kids more. He doesn't have good character so how could he lead young men in a positive way. Dan Mullen and Monken are worthy of a look great character an great careers. Fan will make a move soon he can recruit honestly and keep a great team. I am for HERMAN fist if we could get him or Patterson too.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:05 am to HeadCoach23
For all anyone knows Herman could turn out to be another Chris Petersen. It's always an unknown replacing a HC. And for all the people dogging Kiffin, there are plenty of coaches that started out their college careers worse that turned out to be successful coaches. There are only two sure things in college football, and they coach at Alabama and Ohio State.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:05 am to HeadCoach23
I like Herman, but he still doesn't have Fisher's resume. I want Jimbo Fisher until I see actual proof that ship has sailed. He's absolutely the best fit for LSU.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:07 am to LSUKAT
LsuKat
You lost me when you said Mullen
You lost me when you said Mullen
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:08 am to Laman1978
The ship sailed with Fisher when he signed a contract extension through 2022
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:12 am to lsufball19
quote:Anyone that believes that doesn't understand coaching contracts in college football. Coaches get out of contracts and extensions EVERY YEAR. It all depends on their buyout. I believe Jimbo's is around $5,000,000.
The ship sailed with Fisher when he signed a contract extension through 2022
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:13 am to Pmtiger
Kiffen is a savage. I feel like he would be way more likely to bolt somewhere after a couple years. And he's kinda a douche. I like kiffens offense and wouldn't be opposed to him. Just why I would prefer Herman.
I think Herman is a little more innovated. He's proven to not be stubborn. I could see him getting LSU job and not leaving for a long time. I was at the Houston OU game this weekend. The whole time I just telling my brother imagine if we had this offense with our athletes. Trying not to get my hopes up.
I think Herman is a little more innovated. He's proven to not be stubborn. I could see him getting LSU job and not leaving for a long time. I was at the Houston OU game this weekend. The whole time I just telling my brother imagine if we had this offense with our athletes. Trying not to get my hopes up.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:15 am to Laman1978
Sure they do, but what motivation does Fisher have to leave? Especially if he takes his team to the CFP this year. He has less competition in the ACC and he is making about 5.5 million a year as a base salary. Dude isn't going anywhere. I don't know what proof you need outside is hiring someone different. The year to hire him was last year. We screwed that up and "that ship has sailed." And coaches don't generally sign 44 million 7 year extensions to leave the following year
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 12:17 am
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:18 am to tgerb8
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Herman is 5-0 against ranked opponents (2 against top 10) at AAC Houston.
Kiffin is 3-10 against ranked opponents (1 against top 10) at blue bloods Tennessee and USC
Plus, Kiffin is a sorry sack of shite.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:20 am to lsufball19
I'll just be stubborn and continue my want for Jimbo. At least I'm not still stuck on Miles like some. Lol
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:23 am to Pmtiger
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You make my point when you say Kiffin followed up his 10-2 season with a 6 loss season . We have one year to judge Herman as a head coach and really one season as an OC And most people frankly are looking at one game as an OC against Bama.
You can criticize Herman's resume, but you shouldn't do it to prop up Kiffin. Every HC job he's ever had was highly questionable from the outset. No one could make any sense of his Oakland gig. No one understood why he got the UT job. No one could explain how 7-6 at UT = USC head coach.
He can be an elite OC. He is an elite OC. He hasn't proven he is anymore than that.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:27 am to lsufball19
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For all anyone knows Herman could turn out to be another Chris Petersen.
I'm confused - is this a bad thing?
Things are on the up at UW and it would be too early to call it a failure IMO.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:29 am to lsufball19
quote:you mean the guy who has Washington ranked in the top 10 right now?
For all anyone knows Herman could turn out to be another Chris Petersen.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 3:02 pm to slackster
I am not criticizing hermans resume. I am comparing it to Kiffens .
big difference .
I don't think we should question why he got the jobs he got. Only what experience he has gained from his resume and how he performed
big difference .
I don't think we should question why he got the jobs he got. Only what experience he has gained from his resume and how he performed
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 9/7/16 at 3:03 pm to HeadCoach23
Agree
Posted on 9/7/16 at 3:07 pm to Pmtiger
quote:you are correct, Herman hasn't been fired twice. Plus the word douche is not usually used in the same sentence with Herman.
I am sorry there is no comparison to the resume and experience .
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