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re: LSU is the best program in the last 10 years
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:10 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:10 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
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Were they successful, of course. But less impressive when you examine how they got there compared to the hype.
That's the best point to keep in mind.
Hence why winning percentage doesn't matter if you only play non BCS schools (Boise).
Posted on 8/14/13 at 6:07 pm to harry coleman beast
quote:not when assessing the overall value of a program over a longer time period. championships are huge, but not the only thing that matters.
Those are interesting stats but championships are the ONLY thing that matters
what if a team won 2 championships but didn't win another game?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 6:12 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
over/under 20 pages if on sec rant?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 6:16 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
fairly respectable approach and analysis. Good work. Ignore the tards who are unable to understand how to perform comparative analysis, and who hide behind the tl dr fence.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 6:22 pm to harry coleman beast
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Those are interesting stats but championships are the ONLY thing that matters
SEC titles right? Because unless you begin the season at #1 or # 2 you have very little control on making the BCSCG.
Posted on 8/15/13 at 10:16 am to Rickdaddy4188
Actually starting position has been less import important in recent years. Lsu controls its own destiny.
Posted on 8/15/13 at 10:45 am to Vlad The Inhaler
geesh
What about the last three of 4 years?
What about the last three of 4 years?
This post was edited on 8/15/13 at 10:53 am
Posted on 8/15/13 at 11:06 am to YouAre8Up
YouAre8Up
LSU is the best program in the last 10 years
geesh
What about the last three of 4 years?
Do you how CLOSE LSU is to winning 2 of the last 3 NCs ???? TWO MISSED FIELD GOALS - Okie State's miss vs Iowa State in '11 and Alleman's miss on last Nov. 3.
Bama is 35-5 last 3 years, LSU is 34-6.
What about the last 3 of 4 years for: Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma, Florida State, Texas, Michigan, A&M, Florida, Nebraska, Penn State, Kansas State, Georgia, Oregon, Stanford, Va.Tech, Notre Dame, Miami, Auburn, Tennessee, Iowa, TCU, Oklahoma State, South Carolina, Michigan State, Texas Tech, Clemson, Arizona State, Louisville, Ole Miss, Georgia Tech, West Virginia, So. Miss, Cal, Purdue, Washington, Arkansas, and the other 150 or so schools?
LSU is the closest challenger to Bama in the last 5 years. Miles could very easily be 5-2 vs Saban....
LSU is the best program in the last 10 years
geesh
What about the last three of 4 years?
Do you how CLOSE LSU is to winning 2 of the last 3 NCs ???? TWO MISSED FIELD GOALS - Okie State's miss vs Iowa State in '11 and Alleman's miss on last Nov. 3.
Bama is 35-5 last 3 years, LSU is 34-6.
What about the last 3 of 4 years for: Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma, Florida State, Texas, Michigan, A&M, Florida, Nebraska, Penn State, Kansas State, Georgia, Oregon, Stanford, Va.Tech, Notre Dame, Miami, Auburn, Tennessee, Iowa, TCU, Oklahoma State, South Carolina, Michigan State, Texas Tech, Clemson, Arizona State, Louisville, Ole Miss, Georgia Tech, West Virginia, So. Miss, Cal, Purdue, Washington, Arkansas, and the other 150 or so schools?
LSU is the closest challenger to Bama in the last 5 years. Miles could very easily be 5-2 vs Saban....
Posted on 8/15/13 at 11:12 am to Vlad The Inhaler
Good post Vlad.
To make it simple for Rantards:
For the past ten years, LSU has played much tougher schedules than the majority of the CFB landscape. They have done more with those schedules than anyone.
Take Bama's run:
Yes, 3 of 4 are great, but let's switch schedules and grant LSU a mulligan.
Do you think the results would have been different? Yes, 2009 belongs to Bama. Good for them.
2010 was the last time Bama played a half-arse SEC schedule and look what happened.
Give LSU Bama's schedule in 2011, 2012, 2013 and beyond. LSU would have another MNC, for sure.
Go ahead, rip me. You are the same tards that will be sucking off Saban when he beats a cupcake should LSU lose that same Saturday to a top 10 team (that Bama will never play).
CFB is all about media love and weak scheduling. Bama has this down to a science.
To make it simple for Rantards:
For the past ten years, LSU has played much tougher schedules than the majority of the CFB landscape. They have done more with those schedules than anyone.
Take Bama's run:
Yes, 3 of 4 are great, but let's switch schedules and grant LSU a mulligan.
Do you think the results would have been different? Yes, 2009 belongs to Bama. Good for them.
2010 was the last time Bama played a half-arse SEC schedule and look what happened.
Give LSU Bama's schedule in 2011, 2012, 2013 and beyond. LSU would have another MNC, for sure.
Go ahead, rip me. You are the same tards that will be sucking off Saban when he beats a cupcake should LSU lose that same Saturday to a top 10 team (that Bama will never play).
CFB is all about media love and weak scheduling. Bama has this down to a science.
Posted on 8/15/13 at 11:12 am to MetryTyger
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Ohio State
Well OSU is CLOSE to winning 2 of the last 3 potentially too. Went undefeated last year and would have played in the national title game without a bowl ban, and in 2010 had a bad first quarter against Wisky or would have been undefeated playing auburn that year
Can play hypotheticals forever. I don't mind the list, but the dropoff between the top teams and 5-10 seems much too dramatic.
Posted on 8/15/13 at 11:16 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Go ahead, rip me. You are the same tards that will be sucking off Saban when he beats a cupcake should LSU lose that same Saturday to a top 10 team (that Bama will never play).
What really funny when you hear Miles haters rip Miles for his losses is the unanimous BEST COACH IN ALL OF CFB( Saban) with the BEST PLAYERS(#1 in recruiting 4/5 years) loses a game EVERY SINGLE YEAR ( except once in his entire coaching career). But yeah let's blast miles for losing a game or two.
Posted on 8/15/13 at 11:16 am to MetryTyger
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Do you how CLOSE LSU is to winning 2 of the last 3 NCs
this is loser talk.
Posted on 8/15/13 at 11:18 am to Vlad The Inhaler
yeah I would rather the championships than some arbitrary index.
Posted on 8/15/13 at 11:21 am to Vlad The Inhaler
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Actually starting position has been less import important in recent years. Lsu controls its own destiny.
I hope this is a joke. When using human poles and an ever shifting way that those voters look at, the only title any team has 100% control over is their conf title. Just look at 2011. OSU has a far better résumé than Bama and certain coaches vote them 5-6 and they dont get in. Look at 2004, Auburn undefeated in the SEC and left out. Teams have very little control over making the BCSCG. It's been proven over and over. Every single year of the besides the USC-Tex year , their have been teams that have an argument for being there.
Posted on 8/15/13 at 11:24 am to Rickdaddy4188
OP, can you do something and see how it changes the output
Hypothetically, put in that Texas won the National title in 2005, 2010 and 2004. Then tell me the results.
Edit: I see how you put it in, so I understand, but I think this weighs beating up on 20th ranked teams too much a little bit. It is a good start, but needs to be refined (like points for top 25 wins, more for top 10, more for top 10 on the road
So many variables
Hypothetically, put in that Texas won the National title in 2005, 2010 and 2004. Then tell me the results.
Edit: I see how you put it in, so I understand, but I think this weighs beating up on 20th ranked teams too much a little bit. It is a good start, but needs to be refined (like points for top 25 wins, more for top 10, more for top 10 on the road
So many variables
This post was edited on 8/15/13 at 11:26 am
Posted on 8/15/13 at 11:51 am to Buckeye06
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OP, can you do something and see how it changes the output
Hypothetically, put in that Texas won the National title in 2005, 2010 and 2004. Then tell me the results.
Edit: I see how you put it in, so I understand, but I think this weighs beating up on 20th ranked teams too much a little bit. It is a good start, but needs to be refined (like points for top 25 wins, more for top 10, more for top 10 on the road
So many variables
Thanks for the comments, I'm not saying this list is perfect, just playing around so welcome all suggestions. This project is not big deal, and don't want to sound like it is, just messing around with numbers. I had this info and thought I'd get creative with it and it kind of never ends. They more you tweak the more faults you find. I thought I'd post to share. The overall ranking doesn't mean much, but it's interesting to compare teams by common factors.
The biggest thing is how the hell do you quantify anything and use more data. I'd like to incorporate home/road, score, and a few other items too, but it's just very time consuming and honestly, I'm not sure it would change a whole lot. Maybe if I publish it or something. I figured the next best would be to make everything consistent and see what you get.
Losing, for example to the No. 20 team is rough and probably not fair. But where do you draw the line? Is beating/losing to No. 15 much different than No. 16? That's why I made that ratio to be 40% of the score. Losing to unranked teams is intended to hurt more. Beating No. 1 gets you 25 points and beating No. 20 gets you 6 points so They are not the same if that's what you're saying.
Without running it, Texas would have at least 200 more points, USC and Auburn/Alabama (I assume you mean 2009) would have 100 less, so Texas would be No. 1.
This post was edited on 8/15/13 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 8/15/13 at 12:05 pm to Buckeye06
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I don't mind the list, but the dropoff between the top teams and 5-10 seems much too dramatic.
The points drop off so much because OSU and OU don't have the 100 point bonus for national titles, but those two are easily the only ones who can hang with the big boys. See the second list and it's much closer in points.
If you're curious about OSU, they lose a lot of ground in the "Quality Win" section. They are 8th, but only get 55/100 points. 2011 killed their "Undefeated teams" sections. In the "quality losses" section they are 1 of 6 teams with a positive ratio vs ranked teams--1.45, which is 3rd behind USC and LSU.
Posted on 8/15/13 at 12:10 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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I hope this is a joke. When using human poles and an ever shifting way that those voters look at, the only title any team has 100% control over is their conf title. Just look at 2011. OSU has a far better résumé than Bama and certain coaches vote them 5-6 and they dont get in. Look at 2004, Auburn undefeated in the SEC and left out. Teams have very little control over making the BCSCG. It's been proven over and over. Every single year of the besides the USC-Tex year , their have been teams that have an argument for being there.
Sure. If you're Louisville, Ohio State, Oregon, you really need to worry about polls.
LSU does not this year. If they win out, they're in. No question. Twice, in 15 years has an undefeated BCS team missed the BCSNCG--Auburn 04, Cinci 09. If LSU has zero losses and wins vs. TCU, @UGA, @Ole Miss, @Bama, A&M, Florida they are not being left out.
Still, ND started at 24, Auburn 23, plenty of others.
Posted on 8/15/13 at 12:16 pm to harry coleman beast
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Those are interesting stats but championships are the ONLY thing that matters
This is how programs do slow dances with the NCAA. If Saban hadn't bailed on the Dolphins the Tide would be on their 4th or 5th consecutive probation right now. Be assured, when they step back (either during or after his tenure), that waltz will resume.
That mentality is a dangerous road man, imo.
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