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re: LSU - Land of Underachievement
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:54 pm to Deactived
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:54 pm to Deactived
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Facts are above. You were just pulling shite out of your arse.
Im not pulling shite dumbass. Over a 5 year period only 4 programs were able to win 9 games every year. Thats not my opinion. Its a fricking fact. Im sorry you cant understand that. Its shows that 99% of cfb programs cant win 9 games every year let alone challenge for titles.
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Season ticket holder. What else should I do?
Probably not be a dumbass on here posting about what level of success you'll accept.
These are fricking facts about Miles tenure.
Since his hire no program has beaten more rankes teams.
No program has been ranked in the top 25 more weeks.
He has the best win % in lsu history.
He has 7 of LSUs 20 top 15 finishes since 1965.
I love how dumbasses like you act like the 4 loss seasons are the norm for Miles and not the outliers.
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So 9-3(I added in the rain game as a win) in the regular season with 3 blowout losses to conference teams. Woohoo
Let me guess. You think its beneath lsu to look at a 10 win season as a success?
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Well I think Saban walked into a little different of a program than Miles. But lets not get into that....
You clearly dont know shite about lsu history or youde know that Saban walked into a program littered with future nfl players and some of the best players to ever wear purple and gold and he lost less than 3 games 1 time.
His first team consisted of
Rohan Davey
Lebrandon toefield
Devery henderson
Robert royal
Dominik davis
Kendrick allen
Jarvis green
Bradie james
Trev faulk
Ryan Clark
Josh reed
He then lost 4 games.
You not knowing this just goes to show how fricking delusional you are about lsu football.
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:57 pm to schwartzy
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But losing 3 conference games with Odell, hill, Mett and Landry was disgustin
Nick saban had Rohan Davey, devery henderson, josh reed, Lebrandon toefield and domink davis and lost 4 games. He also had 2 of the best lbs to ever wear P&G on that team.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 12:10 am to Solo Cam
Dude, your football, baseball, softball, gymnastics, golf, ..are among top 10 if not top 5 programs and you call it the land of underachievers? You are some kind of fan base.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 12:15 am to Rickdaddy4188
Get real.
LSU was 7-15 in DiNardo's last two years.
LSU was 18-7 in Saban's first two years.
LSU was 22-4 in Saban's last two years.
LSU was 22-4 in Miles first two years.
You think Saban took over a 7-15 juggernaut?
Miles took over a team that won 22 games it's last two seasons including SECCG and BCSCG wins. JR and Matt Flynn at QB.
LSU won 2 SECCG under Saban in 5 years. LSU has won 2 SECCG in 12 years under Miles.
I'm not shitting on Miles, but your narrative is fricking silly.
LSU was 7-15 in DiNardo's last two years.
LSU was 18-7 in Saban's first two years.
LSU was 22-4 in Saban's last two years.
LSU was 22-4 in Miles first two years.
You think Saban took over a 7-15 juggernaut?
Miles took over a team that won 22 games it's last two seasons including SECCG and BCSCG wins. JR and Matt Flynn at QB.
LSU won 2 SECCG under Saban in 5 years. LSU has won 2 SECCG in 12 years under Miles.
I'm not shitting on Miles, but your narrative is fricking silly.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 12:38 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Im not pulling shite dumbass.
I was referring to the amount of SEC wins.
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Over a 5 year period only 4 programs were able to win 9 games every year. Thats not my opinion. Its a fricking fact
Yea you have probably mentioned that about 50 times in a number of threads on here. Is that what you hang your hat on?
Its one stat and its cherry picking. I'll cherry pick a stat for a team. Since Les Miles has been at LSU, Ohio State has had 1 season where they havent won 10 games. OMGZ stats!!!
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Its shows that 99% of cfb programs cant win 9 games every year let alone challenge for titles.
That same percentage of teams does not recruit like LSU so that point is not that relevant. Are you really comparing our success to a team like Georgia Southern and Idaho? yea you are.
LSU is on a level that we really can only compare ourselves to about 12-15 teams in the country who are ona similar level playing field. We recruit from a state that has the best athletes in the nation per capita and have zero competition in the state for said athletes. So we recruit as good as anyone in the country minus Bama and a few teams here and there. When you recruit that well year after year, coaching comes into play. This coaching starts at the top.
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These are fricking facts about Miles tenure.
Since his hire no program has beaten more rankes teams.
No program has been ranked in the top 25 more weeks.
He has the best win % in lsu history.
He has 7 of LSUs 20 top 15 finishes since 1965
The first two are in relation to what? All coaches in the country?
What coaches with the same tenure is he above?
The last two ok. He walked into a fricking gold mine and has kept the train rolling(kinda). The guy can recruit with the best of them. I have always said that. Him having those stats at LSU and comparing him to past coaches does not excuse him for his faults here.
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Let me guess. You think its beneath lsu to look at a 10 win season as a success?
Yes last year was not a success. Do you really think last year was a success?
Jesus dude. We beat up on a bunch of bad teams, looked bad against bad teams, and completely got our shite pushed in with the meat of our schedule. Last year was not a success. We got annihilated by 2 teams who we overmatch in all facets of the game.
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You clearly dont know shite about lsu history or youde know that Saban walked into a program littered with future nfl players and some of the best players to ever wear purple and gold and he lost less than 3 games 1 time.
So about 10 players that went to the NFL. Yea he didnt walk into a team like Vanderbilt but lets not act like he walked into a team like Miles had his first year
Joseph Addai(1st round)
Andrew Whitworth(2nd round)
Claude Wroten
Skyler Green
Kyle Williams
Melvin Oliver
Bennie Brazell
Jamarcus Russell(1st rnd)
LaRon Landry(1st rnd)
Dwayne Bowe(1st rnd)
Craig Davis(1st rnd)
Chase Pittman
Glenn Dorsey(1st rnd)
Chevis Jackson
Jacob Hester
Early Doucet
Craig Steltz
Matt Flynn
Keith Zinger
Ali Highsmith
Herman Johnson
Tyson Jackson(1st rnd)
Quinn Johnson
Curtis Taylor
Thats 24 players that played in the NFL on the team that Miles walked into compared to the 11 players that you listed.
eta: holy shite look at the players on the team that he walked into. your argument is garbage. dont bother responding tomorrow
This post was edited on 2/19/16 at 12:42 am
Posted on 2/19/16 at 6:24 am to Solo Cam
You really are stupid aren't you.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 6:27 am to joshreed293
The Final Four - National Championship appearances. Sorry that's not enough for all the Madden jockeys. You should win every game by double digits and the other team should never score. don't you know that?
Posted on 2/19/16 at 7:46 am to Deactived
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Jesus dude. We beat up on a bunch of bad teams, looked bad against bad teams, and completely got our shite pushed in with the meat of our schedule. Last year was not a success. We got annihilated by 2 teams who we overmatch in all facets of the game.
this is the part that is unacceptable. We're paying too much money to coaches for this to happen even semi frequently...particularly Ol Piss and Arky. You think those teams are even remotely intimidated by us anymore?
Posted on 2/19/16 at 7:50 am to chilge1
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All of these players won an SEC Championship
And had the worst showing in any title game of the BCS era.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 8:05 am to Deactived
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Winning 9 games a year is not some enormous feat at a school like LSU.
Winning 9 games in down years is an enormous feat. Miles has only failed to meet that mark twice and failed to exceed it 4 times in 11 years. If you isolate 2008, 2009, 2014, and 2015 from MIles's career, the remainder looks like this:
As favorite: 71-7 (.910) Since 2005, 1st overall
As underdog: 6-7 (.461) Since 2005, 5th behind Oregon, Ohio State, TCU, and Oklahoma
Conference: 46-14 (.767) Since 2005, 5th behind Ohio State, Oregon, Alabama, and Oklahoma
Non-Conf: 32-1 (.969) Since 2005, 1st overall
Now you can accuse me of cherry-picking statistics if you like, but I simply don't have the time or patience to isolate down years from every major program in the country for the past 11 years. Suffice it to say that when LSU football is running at full speed, they are at worst a Top 5 team in the country.
Nobody is pleased with the way that the last 3 years have ended, but an LSU team under Les Miles is typically more similar to 2005-07 and 2010-13 than it is to 2008-09 and 2014-15. The real question is whether you think the team that takes the field in 2016 will be an 8-9 win team or a 11-12 win team.
Brandon Harris, Leonard Fournette, Malachi Dupre, and Travin Dural are all upperclassmen and excluding Harris, all have been starters for two full seasons. On defense, Godchaux, Neal, and Key are potential All-SEC players with Beckwith anchoring the middle and four future NFL talents in the secondary.... and then there's Aranda.
Just shut up and enjoy the ride!
Posted on 2/19/16 at 8:58 am to drizztiger
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Miles took over a team that won 22 games it's last two seasons including SECCG and BCSCG wins. JR and Matt Flynn at QB.
Miles took over a 3 loss program that had lost less than 3 games 1 time in the last 5 years.
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LSU won 2 SECCG under Saban in 5 years. LSU has won 2 SECCG in 12 years under Miles.
Yeah its a shame that Miles doesnt coach in a sec where 3 conf losses xcan win the west like Saban in 2001.
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I'm not shitting on Miles, but your narrative is fricking silly.
My narrative is frickning facts.
Saban walked into a program with
Rohan Davey
Labrandon Toefield
Stephen Peterman
Devery Henderson
Jarvis Green
Kendrick Allen
Josh reed
Bradie James
Trev Faulk
Chad Lavalais
Ryan clark
Dominik Davis
Robert royal
This notion that Saban walked into a program that was down in the dirt is fricking bullshite. We had back to back 10 win seasons in 96 and 97.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:00 am to YouAre8Up
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And had the worst showing in any title game of the BCS era.
This is such fricking bullshite. The very next year Notre Dame was down 35-0 at the half.
USC beat Oklahoma 55-19. I swear we have the dumbest fricking fan base in cfb.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:01 am to schwartzy
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Leonard ain't finished yet dude. But losing 3 conference games with Odell, hill, Mett and Landry was disgusting
...and Ford and Blue and Collins. And that's just on offense.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:02 am to Tigahbader
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We're paying too much money to coaches for this to happen even semi frequently...particularly Ol Piss and Arky.
As you can see the talent gap between bama and lsu is bigger than the gap between ole miss and lsu.
This post was edited on 2/19/16 at 9:02 am
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:04 am to a want
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and Ford and Blue and Collins. And that's just on offense.
Saban had Rohan, Josh Reed, Devery Henderson, labrandon Toefield, domink davis and lost 4 games.
He also had some of the best defensive players to ever play at lsu on that team.
This post was edited on 2/19/16 at 9:05 am
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:07 am to a want
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...and Ford and Blue and Collins. And that's just on offense.
Why don't you humor us and name the defensive players.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:11 am to Deactived
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Yes last year was not a success. Do you really think last year was a success?
Winning 10 games in the hardest division in cfb with a bunch of true sophomores may not be elite level of success but it isnt some crap season.
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Yea you have probably mentioned that about 50 times in a number of threads on here. Is that what you hang your hat on?
Yeah because it proves that 99% of cfb programs cant win 9 games every year let alone pay for titles every year.
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That same percentage of teams does not recruit like LSU so that point is not that relevant. Are you really comparing our success to a team like Georgia Southern and Idaho? yea you are.
Stop acting like lsu recruits better than every team because it utter fricking ignorance.
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. He walked into a fricking gold mine and has kept the train rolling(kinda).
He walked into a program that lost less than 3 games 1 fricking time in 7 years.
Kept the train kinda going?
Holy shite. Yeah he only has the best fricking tenure in lsu history.
He has the most top 5 finishes in lsu history.
He has the most top 10 finishes in lsu history. He has 50 % of our title game appearances.
But yeah he only kinda kept it going.
I hate our ignorant and entitled fan base.
This post was edited on 2/19/16 at 9:12 am
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:22 am to Rickdaddy4188
This chart is pretty and all but is basically an excuse. We've split the last 8 games with OM. With the recruiting, money, and facilities we have, this isn't acceptable.
You're always wanting to tout our NFL pipeline....how many players from Piss are playing in the NFL right now? Bet its not as much as our number and yet they're hanging in there with us each year.
You're always wanting to tout our NFL pipeline....how many players from Piss are playing in the NFL right now? Bet its not as much as our number and yet they're hanging in there with us each year.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:26 am to Solo Cam
Can you define. "Couldn't win"
Thanks
Thanks
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:46 am to Tigahbader
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We've split the last 8 games with OM. With the recruiting, money, and facilities we have, this isn't acceptable.
Let's clarify for a moment. In which years would you say Ole Miss fielded an all-around better team than LSU and in which years would you say the reverse is true? Going as far back as 2005, are we to believe that LSU has had a better football team in all 11 years and yet has lost 4 games?
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