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Posted on 2/19/10 at 5:30 pm to LJBurton
Maybe they can get Schuster from the Olymic curling team to replace him. I hear he's become available.
But seriously, there are so many people who really don't really seem to know what they're talking about throwing stuff out there like they're proven facts that it muddies the water.
Did Miles refuse to fire Crowton? Did Miles go to the admin to get try to get Crowton removed but was vetoed? Something else?
Would firing miles scare off top level potential coaches? Would top guys flock here anyway cause we'd pay them so much and/or they know that Miles is a screwup?
The one thing that gave me a bit of pause this past year was how both USC and Tennesee had hard times getting coaches. Granted, timing may have been a part of it but I don't think its nearly as much of a sure shot as some might think that we'd necessarily get an upgrade if we changed coaches.
But seriously, there are so many people who really don't really seem to know what they're talking about throwing stuff out there like they're proven facts that it muddies the water.
Did Miles refuse to fire Crowton? Did Miles go to the admin to get try to get Crowton removed but was vetoed? Something else?
Would firing miles scare off top level potential coaches? Would top guys flock here anyway cause we'd pay them so much and/or they know that Miles is a screwup?
The one thing that gave me a bit of pause this past year was how both USC and Tennesee had hard times getting coaches. Granted, timing may have been a part of it but I don't think its nearly as much of a sure shot as some might think that we'd necessarily get an upgrade if we changed coaches.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 5:31 pm to StreetDiction
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B. He signed off on an extension and raise
how do you know this?
I don't know this to be true. You are correct; however, simple logic would tell that it is very likely to be true. You must concede that a program in which the AD makes decisions on retention of assistant coaches without the consent and approval of the Head Coach would be one clusterf__k of a program. Would it not?
Think about it logically. I hire you to be the Head Coach, but I don't consult you regarding the retention of your staff. At the same time, I will hold you accountable for the results of said staff. Does this sound right to you?
Posted on 2/19/10 at 5:34 pm to Methuselah
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The one thing that gave me a bit of pause this past year was how both USC and Tennesee had hard times getting coaches. Granted, timing may have been a part of it but I don't think its nearly as much of a sure shot as some might think that we'd necessarily get an upgrade if we changed coaches.
The difference here, of course, is that the coaches at USC and Tenn left. They left, they were not fired.
When a school decides to fire a coach, more often than not, there is a short list in place of likely candidates who have expressed interest in the job. No guaranty that they would take the job, of course, but you are not exactly starting from scratch, as USC and Tenn were forced to.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 5:41 pm to LJBurton
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The difference here, of course, is that the coaches at USC and Tenn left. They left, they were not fired.
When a school decides to fire a coach, more often than not, there is a short list in place of likely candidates who have expressed interest in the job. No guaranty that they would take the job, of course, but you are not exactly starting from scratch, as USC and Tenn were forced to.
Sorry but this does not really convice me that we would be more likely than not to get a top level coach and an upgrade.
Can you give three top level coaches that you think we would be more likely than not (>50%) to get if we fired Miles this year?
Posted on 2/19/10 at 5:52 pm to Beaux
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3 out of the 5 pick les miles to be on the hot seat and he is not on the hot seat
Just because 3 out of 5 sportswriters agree doesn't mean that this is the "God's honest truth" so to speak.
It's kinda like those old toothpaste commercials..."9 of 10 dentists recommend it". It's stupid to think that majority rules makes it a sure thing.
The guy that wrote the piece this thread is about hit the nail on the head. It would be a HORRIBLE business decision to fire Miles.
If I were a head coach looking for a high profile job, LSU would not be the place that I would go. Who could step in and fill the shoes to the expectations of the fanbase and program itself if they were to sever all ties with a coach that has accomplished what Miles has here? Nobody at all.
Believe what you all want, but Miles is not on the hot seat. MAYBE next year, with a poor showing, but I highly doubt it.
IMO, it will take at least two poor years (losing SEC records) in a row and if it doesn't improve the year immediately afterwards, then he is out the door. I really don't see that BS happening though.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 5:53 pm to Methuselah
Sounds good... but we'll see what happens if he finishes 8-5 or worse next season... and don't fool yourself, top notch coaches will want this job. They aren't blind. They can see the talent Miles is is bringing in, but not developing. Saban showed what can be done with the talent available to this program, and any top notch coach will have the confidence in himself to be able to develop that talent better than Miles and his staff. Miles's record and accomplishments will be irrelevant. 
Posted on 2/19/10 at 5:55 pm to In The Know
Complete and total common sense.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 5:59 pm to ZoTiger6
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ZT6
I see your point and accept it... It would still be a VERY TALL order if this were to happen with Miles after next year. Some people may accept the challenge of coaching in the wake of that, but even if I had a huge reputation as a ball coach, I wouldn't go somewhere where even I would have to look over my shoulder from day one constantly worrying about my job.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 5:59 pm to Methuselah
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The one thing that gave me a bit of pause this past year was how both USC and Tennesee had hard times getting coaches.
Both of them got coaches who would be an upgrade for us.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 6:02 pm to TigerCard
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Les on the Hot Seat? Think again....
When you set emotions aside and think clearly this also should be your conclusion. Now i don't agree with the 10 year measure, but for the next 3 to 5 i agree. Great analogy.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 6:05 pm to StreetDiction
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Maybe Les should have taken 800,000 or 1 million (whatever the buyout is) and paid Crowton out of his own pocket.
If he had any sense, he would have. Crowton will likely end up costing him his $4 million a year job. Invest $800k or $1 million to save a $4 million a year job? Hell yes.
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MIles pulled in a new DC after 08. I'm sure if he could have, he would have got a better OC this year.
Both his DCs from 08 took other jobs. There's no guarantee he would have fired them if they hadn't. And you can't possibly be "sure" that he would gotten a better OC this year to such a degree that you can conclude he didn't have the authority simply because he didn't do it.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but does Les Miles write the contract agreements for the coaches or does the Administration?
In all probability, like in every other college football program, the head coach decides who he wants, and the administration does what it takes to get them or tells the head coach to look for someone else. If it took such an egregious contract to get Crowton that he effectively could not be fired regardless of performance, then it would be shocking if Miles weren't advised of that at the time he was hired and given a chance to pick someone else before the deal with Crowton was made.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 6:10 pm to DByrd2
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even if I had a huge reputation as a ball coach, I wouldn't go somewhere where even I would have to look over my shoulder from day one constantly worrying about my job.
You're making $1 million to $2 million (or less) now at some second-tier program that will never be an elite powerhouse no matter how good you are, and you are offered $4 million to move to an elite program with the visibility, talent, recruiting base and resources of LSU, and you are seriously saying you wouldn't take it because the fans expect better than .500 in the SEC? Seriously? You're joking, right?
Posted on 2/19/10 at 10:40 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Both of them got coaches who would be an upgrade for us.
Holy shite. Dude, i used to think you were a little off the wall but respected your opinion. Now, your hatred for Miles has reached epic (and delusional) proportions.
This post was edited on 2/19/10 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 2/19/10 at 11:48 pm to Nuts4LSU
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You're making $1 million to $2 million (or less) now at some second-tier program that will never be an elite powerhouse no matter how good you are, and you are offered $4 million to move to an elite program with the visibility, talent, recruiting base and resources of LSU, and you are seriously saying you wouldn't take it because the fans expect better than .500 in the SEC? Seriously? You're joking, right?
100% serious. For those of us with a conscience and a true love for the game, we would WANT to have the fans approval. And the way this site is about nit-picking, among others, if the above situation were to play out, this would not be an ideal destination.
But then again, most coaches nowadays don't have a conscience. See Kiffy.
That's just me I guess, though. So I partially concede my argument. It would for sure still be an ugly scar on the face of the program were it to happen.
Posted on 2/20/10 at 12:03 am to Choctaw
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Both of them got coaches who would be an upgrade for us.
Holy shite. Dude, i used to think you were a little off the wall but respected your opinion. Now, your hatred for Miles has reached epic (and delusional) proportions.
Dooley took a crippled Louisiana Tech team into Tiger Stadium and hung tough for four quarters. With anywhere near equal talent, Dooley runs circles around Miles that night.
Kiffin, say what you will about his ridiculous public comments, got about every ounce of performance out of his Tennessee team that they were capable of. They played Florida just as tough as we did, and Alabama a hell of a lot tougher. Considering the dwindling talent at UT, he did pretty well. With talent like LSU had, I bet you he wouldn't have lost to Ole Miss.
And of course, with regard to both of them, people who presumably know a lot more than you or me, i.e. athletic directors at major football schools looking for new head football coaches, DID come calling for them, with ne'er a tap on Les Miles' door.
Posted on 2/20/10 at 1:17 am to Nuts4LSU
look guys....you can all ramble on about liking les or hating him but he will be here for 2010 season...Let's see how he does this season with the pressure on....we really have alot to look forward to this season and i think this is the make it or break it season for les..
Posted on 2/20/10 at 1:18 am to zac32lsu
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look guys....you can all ramble on about liking les or hating him but he will be here for 2010 season...Let's see how he does this season with the pressure on....we really have alot to look forward to this season and i think this is the make it or break it season for les..
Posted on 2/20/10 at 1:22 am to StreetDiction
well some people say if he has another mediocre year that he still wont be fired....but i disagree
Posted on 2/20/10 at 1:23 am to StreetDiction
quote:not saying the man can't recruit, but hallman & dinardo was bringing in good classes with 3 & 4 win seasons.
Also Blame Les Miles and our staff for bringing in another great recruiting class, even with the program having 2 mediocre years and late decommitments
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