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re: Les Miles's Record With a Returning QB
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:44 pm to chilge1
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:44 pm to chilge1
quote:Well, I mean, I think even the most optimistic person regarding BH in 2014 recognized that starting a true freshman is not ideal in the SEC. If AJ turns out to just remain shitty and BH really can't beat him out, then help should've been on the way sooner.
Only if you expect that a ho-hum as a sophomore would be better than Franks as a freshman.
quote:Good fricking lord. Rettig was 4 star. BH was 4 star. So was AJ and hell, occasionally, 3 stars are OK too and Rivers was a 3 star. We brought in 4 guys and AJ was the best we could field?
Don't see how you blame the coaches for Mama Kiel wanting her baby to stay home.
THAT is a failure Kiel or no.
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:50 pm to chilge1
quote:If you've got a proven track record of finding good QBs.
I'm certain we'll either sign Haskins or Kelley... but six scholarship QBs might be a bit much.
Of course, yes, 6 is a bit much if you didn't fricking MISS so damned often.
Speaking of which, um, Rivers and Rettig left. Had they not left, we would've had how many scholly QBs this year? 5.
Oh, and OSU will have 6 this fall and it's probably not a terrible bet to say all 6 will be better than anything we have on campus right now.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:56 pm to ShortyRob
I should add that while no one likes to admit it, the scholly we handed out at QB this year smacks of desperation. That kid has about the same chance of being our starting QB as Kragthorpe has.
Oh sure, you need "depth" but "depth" implies there is a surface and we don't have anything up there!!!
Oh sure, you need "depth" but "depth" implies there is a surface and we don't have anything up there!!!
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:57 pm to ShortyRob
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help should've been on the way sooner.
I doubt a redshirt freshman or sophomore would make much of a difference.
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We brought in 4 guys and AJ was the best we could field?
You won't get an argument from me that Crowton was terrible at identifying QBs. However, had Kiel honored his commitment, we wouldn't know the names of the misses those years.
Cameron has been invaluable in this regard. I am very excited about Harris, Franks, and Dinkelmann taking over. The potential is there to rival Georgia in QB development.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:59 pm to blackmamba
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The defense would have held on if the offense didn't go three and out every possession.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
Posted on 3/8/15 at 1:01 pm to ShortyRob
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Speaking of which, um, Rivers and Rettig left. Had they not left, we would've had how many scholly QBs this year? 5.
I have ZERO issue with a depth chart of Jennings, Harris, McMillan, Franks, and Haskins/Kelley. Any more is begging for transfers. OSU is a little different. Miller and Jones are gone next year.
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the scholly we handed out at QB this year smacks of desperation.
I like McMillan... he'll definitely redshirt, but he can definitely be a Matt Flynn or Blake Sims if something happens with another guy.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 1:03 pm to chilge1
quote:So the solution is to have any potential help be a redshirt freshman or soph a year later? Um, cmon man.
I doubt a redshirt freshman or sophomore would make much of a difference.
quote:Um, Crowton left in 2010 and for frick's sake, can Miles do anything that he's responsible for? In any case, Rettig, AJ and BH were not recruited by Crowton.
You won't get an argument from me that Crowton was terrible at identifying QBs
quote:Injuries never happen.
However, had Kiel honored his commitment, we wouldn't know the names of the misses those years.
(See OSU) quote:Any QB that can't get on the field, even as a freshman, beyond the worst long term LSU started in my lifetime is going to have to show me something on the field to get excited about.
I am very excited about Harris
As for the other two. Well, Rettig was highly rated. BH was highly rated and even AJ was well rated. You'll have to forgive me if the fact that Miles hasn't gotten QB recruiting right in a decade makes we prefer to wait to see something on the field to get excited.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 1:05 pm to chilge1
quote:Then you're excitement is based on unicorns and rainbows.
I have ZERO issue with a depth chart of Jennings, Harris, McMillan, Franks, and Haskins/Kelley
Jennings. Awful.
Harris. Couldn't push Jennings.
McMillan. NO F'N chance of being an SEC QB.
The other two? Hell, until they sign............
Posted on 3/8/15 at 1:05 pm to chilge1
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it's safe to say that if he doesn't prove himself capable this year that Harris, as a junior with two years in the system will take over in 2016.
I would let Harris play 1st and 3rd quarters in the McNeese game, and let Jennings play 2nd and 4th quarter.
1. Develop them both. Let them both play real minutes in all non-SEC games. Unless Harris looks terrible vs McNeese bring Harris in for one series in SEC games in which LSU has a 14 point lead. Not just to take a knee at the end.
2. Why pretend a QB can absolutely last an entire season, especially since Jennings runs up the middle?
This post was edited on 3/8/15 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 3/8/15 at 1:12 pm to ShortyRob
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So the solution is to have any potential help be a redshirt freshman or soph a year later? Um, cmon man.
Franks looks to be Jamarcus or Perrilloux good. I like him as a true freshman more than Joe QB as a redshirt freshman.
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In any case, Rettig, AJ and BH were not recruited by Crowton.
Rettig, Jennings, and Harris are too young in their careers to attempt any sort of legitimate evaluation.
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Injuries never happen
Sometimes they do, sometimes they dont. Jennings never missed more than a few snaps due to injury. Its more rational to expect the same had Kiel come here than to expect what happened at OSU.
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Any QB that can't get on the field, even as a freshman, beyond the worst long term LSU started in my lifetime is going to have to show me something on the field to get excited about.
Name the last true freshman to be named the starter at LSU and the year they played.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 1:17 pm to chilge1
quote:Between the three of them, we ended up fielding the worst season long started at LSU in my adult lifetime. And, between the three, we ended up fielding a QB that rated over 100th in D1. Um, unless you're asserting everyone else was starting Juniors and I mean EVERYONE else..........then yeah, we CAN evaluate.
Rettig, Jennings, and Harris are too young in their careers to attempt any sort of legitimate evaluation.
quote:It's also STILL shitty recruiting if your backup QB is a guy you're scared shitless to let throw and who would rank greater than 100th in D1 football. This is LSU, not La Tech.
Its more rational to expect the same had Kiel come here than to expect what happened at OSU.
quote:Now the last true Freshman that played behind a QB as bad as AJ, couldn't get on the field, but then turned out pretty decent later?
Name the last true freshman to be named the starter at LSU and the year they played.
Good f'n luck.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 1:20 pm to chilge1
quote:Has Franks signed yet?
Franks looks to be Jamarcus or Perrilloux good
Don't count your chickens........it ain't like the other schools have given up on recruiting him.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 1:22 pm to ShortyRob
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Now the last true Freshman that played behind a QB as bad as AJ, couldn't get on the field, but then turned out pretty decent later?
Rohan Davey was a sophomore. Good enough?
Posted on 3/8/15 at 1:32 pm to chilge1
quote:Wait. Are you asserting that AJ has as much QB talent as Booty? I mean, really? If you are, then you know shite about QBs and are pure stat mining. Good God.
Rohan Davey was a sophomore. Good enough?
Oh, and he played in 7 games and started in 2 to include taking over in the last game of the season.
So, um. Swing and a miss.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 1:34 pm to Nix to Twillie
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I've said it before...usually the quarterback has given SOME kind of sign so far.
And exactly how much progress did we see out of Jefferson?
Posted on 3/8/15 at 1:34 pm to ShortyRob
Here are my key points because tbh I've had this debate 100 times.
QB recruiting from 2007-10 was god awful. Missing in Zach Lee and Gunner Kiel was huge. It left us without a competent starter in 2014.
Anthony Jennings played too early in his development and was terrible in 2014. He cost us at least two wins.
Jennings is blessed with one of the most highly regarded QB coaches in football, is a rising junior and returns his entire receiving corps, a dominant OL, and a Heisman caliber RB.
Additionally, the defense will begin the season without any glaring weaknesses now that DT and MLB have been addressed.
This coming season could resemble 2010 if he plays terribly again (before Harris takes over), or like 2011 if he reaches his potential.
Either way, there's enough in place at the other 21 positions for a double-digit win season.
QB recruiting from 2007-10 was god awful. Missing in Zach Lee and Gunner Kiel was huge. It left us without a competent starter in 2014.
Anthony Jennings played too early in his development and was terrible in 2014. He cost us at least two wins.
Jennings is blessed with one of the most highly regarded QB coaches in football, is a rising junior and returns his entire receiving corps, a dominant OL, and a Heisman caliber RB.
Additionally, the defense will begin the season without any glaring weaknesses now that DT and MLB have been addressed.
This coming season could resemble 2010 if he plays terribly again (before Harris takes over), or like 2011 if he reaches his potential.
Either way, there's enough in place at the other 21 positions for a double-digit win season.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 1:41 pm to ShortyRob
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Wait. Are you asserting that AJ has as much QB talent as Booty? I mean, really?
I'm saying that Booty's play in 1999 was worse than Jenning's. It begins and ends there.
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Oh, and he played in 7 games and started in 2 to include taking over in the last game of the season.
Harris was named the starter on Week 5. So if anything, he was given more opportunity than Rohan.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:27 pm to RobbBobb
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RobbBobb
Your whole post was a bowl of stupid
. I could pick it apart, but it's Sunday, and I just don't feel like it.Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:28 pm to chilge1
quote:Then the extent of your ability to evaluate play is a glance at the stat sheet because AJ wishes he possessed Booty's ability and in that year, AJ would've stunk so bad it would've been historic.
I'm saying that Booty's play in 1999 was worse than Jenning's. It begins and ends there.
quote:Then disappeared and was never tried again.
Harris was named the starter on Week 5. So if anything, he was given more opportunity than Rohan.
But, in any case, you comparing Booty's skill to AJ's tells everyone who knows any damned thing at all everything they need to know.
And I friggin couldn't stand Booty. But that's just retarded. You've outed yourself as not knowing a damned thing about football.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:32 pm to chilge1
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But most importantly, throwing the football is only a portion of the responsibilities of a quarterback, which is why Jennings started over Harris last year.
This is what a lot of people are not getting. Harris was not ready to lead this offense last year. We had two bad QBs, and played the one who at least knew how to run the offense.
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