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re: Les Miles being treated unfairly?
Posted on 7/15/10 at 6:52 am to locochica
Posted on 7/15/10 at 6:52 am to locochica
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Les Miles is an arrogant, self centered individual, who has over time proved his heart & soul NOT to his family. Bottom line if you don't respect and treat your family right how can you expect him to do that with your team, a player, or your kid???
uh oh....an OSU fan doesn't like Miles...shocking.
Or maybe you're not really an OSU fan....maybe you just don't know what the hell you're talking about.
This post was edited on 7/15/10 at 6:55 am
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Posted on 7/15/10 at 7:15 am to Dobermann
Posted on 7/15/10 at 7:22 am to Choctaw
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I was coreect about Miles and the sinking ship that is LSU football as long as he is here.
what makes you think you're correct?
The last two years ring a bell?????????
Posted on 7/15/10 at 7:48 am to dukke v
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The last two years ring a bell?????????
I would hardly call going from '08 to '09 a "sinking ship". 9-4 with a top 20 finish is not amazing but its far from a disaster. But hell....if ya'lls hatred for Miles will cause you to try to diminish a NC season, i guess a 9-4 season means we should probably get kicked out of the SEC.
This post was edited on 7/15/10 at 7:49 am
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:03 am to Choctaw
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I would hardly call going from '08 to '09 a "sinking ship". 9-4 with a top 20 finish is not amazing but its far from a disaster. But hell....if ya'lls hatred for Miles will cause you to try to diminish a NC season, i guess a 9-4 season means we should probably get kicked out of the SEC.
Personally, I don't hate the man at all as he seems like a fairly jovial guy. I think he is a subpar coach (and administrator) in a position where well above par is not only expected, but demanded.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:05 am to Rocket
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I already said a very small minority may have a problem with the results. You're not in that minority.
And so you prove you are talking out of your arse, as always.
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Sorry, you can't be as extreme as you are and be taken seriously.
Who cares about being taken seriously by the likes of you? I can assure you that your agreement would be a strong indication that whatever I said was wrong. There's nothing extreme about wanting a mediocre coach fired. What's extreme is making up a load of bullshite about half the LSU fan base and claiming it's true because you are an insecure little bitch who can't face the possibility that you've been wrong all along about Miles, unlike those of us (like me) who have been wrong about him in the past, but now realize it and have changed our view of him due to the results of the last two years.
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I've been around here long enough to have a good idea of which posters were never a fan of Miles
Evidently not. Full of bullshite as always.
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if Nick Saban was the coach the past 2 years and posted the same results as Miles did these past 2 years, I do not believe the people spewing hate towards Miles would like we've seen on this board would be saying the same things about him.
In your world, maybe that's true. In the real one, I would say the same thing about any coach who screwed up as bad as Miles did.
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The hatred in your bashing and the unfairness in your criticism suggest otherwise.
I've never criticized his character, only his competence and intelligence. And every criticism of him is completely fair. I've never met him personally, so I could not care less one way or the other about him personally. As a football coach, he leaves much to be desired, and I would like to see him replaced at LSU. That's it. When I thought he was a good coach, I sang his praises just as loudly as I'm criticizing him now. That you aren't intelligent enough to realize that, and are delusional enough to think that everyone is just as happy with 17-9 as they were with 34-6 or was just as unhappy with 34-6 as they are with 17-9 only confirms the stupidity that typically characterizes your posting.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:10 am to Choctaw
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if ya'lls hatred for Miles will cause you to try to diminish a NC season,
When have I ever done this?????
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:14 am to Dobermann
I personally support Miles. Between him having to dismiss Perriloux and the cooridinator problems he has been having, he didnt stand much of a chance. But.. He has fixed the defence prob, and I think as soon as LSU admins let him he will fix the offensive cooridinator prob. It appears as though he has already started the process to replace GC. And Im sure he is doing what he can to get us some new quality depth a QB (good chance he has Z.Lee, now we need another). Miles just needs a little more time to patch the holes thats all. 
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:18 am to Nuts4LSU
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And so you prove you are talking out of your arse, as always
Hardly. The faction that hate him personally is very strong. You are in that faction.
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Who cares about being taken seriously by the likes of you?
Probably not a lot of people. But, I'm sure a lot of folk quit taking anything you say seriously a long time ago.
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I can assure you that your agreement would be a strong indication that whatever I said was wrong.
Just more bullshite
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There's nothing extreme about wanting a mediocre coach fired
It's the extreme you've been going to in your posts for the past 2 years.
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What's extreme is making up a load of bullshite about half the LSU fan base
I don't even think I'm talking about half the fan base. I'm talking about the the people who are against. You don't know how much of a percentage that is.
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claiming it's true because you are an insecure little bitch who can't face the possibility that you've been wrong all along about Miles, unlike those of us (like me) who have been wrong about him in the past, but now realize it and have changed our view of him due to the results of the last two years.
Naw, you turned on him quickly during the 2008 season. Nobody who was ever on his side turns on a coach that quickly.
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Evidently not. Full of bullshite as always
Excellent rebuttal
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In your world, maybe that's true. In the real one, I would say the same thing about any coach who screwed up as bad as Miles did.
I don't think anyone who is as extreme as you is tuned into the real world. Your inability to acknowledge that there are people who hate his guts regardless of results is proof.
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I've never criticized his character, only his competence and intelligence. And every criticism of him is completely fair.
Your idea of fair is pretty fricked up.
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As a football coach, he leaves much to be desired, and I would like to see him replaced at LSU. That's it
Again, anyone who turns on him as quickly as you did suggests you were never really a fan of the guy. And you are one of types of poster I'm talking about.
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When I thought he was a good coach, I sang his praises just as loudly as I'm criticizing him now.
You were anything authentic in your praises. It was a load of shite.
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That you aren't intelligent enough to realize that, a
I'm intelligent enough to know that you can't bullshite me and pretend you were more of a fan of him than you really were.
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and are delusional enough to think that everyone is just as happy with 17-9 as they were with 34-6 or was just as unhappy with 34-6 as they are with 17-9 only confirms the stupidity that typically characterizes your posting.
Certainly not everyone but again, your inability to acknowledge that there are people who never liked him as a coach and never wanted him here is another reason why you shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone. Hell, you are one of those people. Your praise during the 1st three years of his tenure was phony. That's because you are.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:26 am to Rocket
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there are people who never liked him as a coach and never wanted him here is another reason why you shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone. Hell, you are one of those people. Your praise during the 1st three years of his tenure was phony.
So, basically, what you're saying is that I was never wrong about him? Cool. I'm even smarter than I thought I was!
And you, as amazingly impossible as it seems, are even dumber than I thought you were.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:28 am to Rocket
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Certainly not everyone but again, your inability to acknowledge that there are people who never liked him as a coach and never wanted him here is another reason why you shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone. Hell, you are one of those people. Your praise during the 1st three years of his tenure was phony. That's because you are.
What a crock of shite.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:30 am to Choctaw
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The last two years ring a bell?????????
quote:Sinking implies "taking on water", not completely sunken.
I would hardly call going from '08 to '09 a "sinking ship".
Your problem is that you are afraid to admit the ship is taking on water, so you go to extreme's to try to bolster your position. The ship is neither sailing safely, nor is it completely sunk. But it is in danger and taking on water.
quote:The way the team looked in getting to that 9-4 record is a telling signal that many football pundits, 'experts', and of course other teams fans have noticed as well. With top 5 talent coming in year after year, million dollar salaries, the highest paid coordinators in the country, and pro-style facilities, Miles underwhelms with his ability to field a cohesive unit that should represent one of the top 5 programs in the country. If you can't see that, I can't help you.
9-4 with a top 20 finish is not amazing but its far from a disaster.
quote:He did great that year, except for the two games that he lost that were mismanaged and giveaways to the other team. We have said that time and time again, one million times over, yet you keep repeating the same bullshite that says we don't give him credit. His problem is not WHAT HE DID 2 years ago, it's WHAT HE'S DOING NOW. What don't you get about that?
But hell....if ya'lls hatred for Miles will cause you to try to diminish a NC season,
quote:wow.
i guess a 9-4 season means we should probably get kicked out of the SEC.
This post was edited on 7/15/10 at 10:32 am
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:36 am to Rocket
quote:You are probably right, and this is an astute observation, but Miles himself, by looking and acting like a goofball instead of a credible, smart tactician and hard nosed football coach, has left himself open to these criticisms. I guarantee you Saban would never have left himself open to looking like this publicly as Miles has done over the last few years. This opens the door for people to start questioning his credibility. You can blame others for that if you want, but managing his own personal self image is his responsibility, not ours.
I'm sorry, if Nick Saban was the coach the past 2 years and posted the same results as Miles did these past 2 years, I do not believe the people spewing hate towards Miles would like we've seen on this board would be saying the same things about him.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:36 am to Nuts4LSU
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So, basically, what you're saying is that I was never wrong about him?
Nice spin but not gonna fly. What I'm saying is your support for him was never authentic. And you know it.
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And you, as amazingly impossible as it seems, are even dumber than I thought you were.
I'll consider the source of this comment for sure
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:38 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Sinking implies "taking on water", not completely sunken.
It also implies that its going down. LSU football did not go down from '08 to '09.
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The way the team looked in getting to that 9-4 record is a telling signal that many football pundits, 'experts', and of course other teams fans have noticed as well. With top 5 talent coming in year after year, million dollar salaries, the highest paid coordinators in the country, and pr-style facilities, Miles underwhelms with his ability to field a cohesive unit that should represent one of the top 5 programs in the country. If you can't see that, I can't help you.
I do agree that we should be a top 5 team. We just have different ideas of why we're not. I tend to see the forest for the tree and understand that, while we are very talented, we are not that talented at QB and o-line....two very important areas. While ya'll tend to do like the rest of the sheep and blame everything on Miles because its the easy thing to do.
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He did great that year, except for the two games that he lost that were mismanaged and giveaways to the other team. We have said that time and time again, one million times over, yet you keep repeating the same bullshite that says we don't give him credit.
Actually...ya'll like to yell how LSU backed in while giving all the credit to the players with shite like "anyone could've coached that team to a NC.".....yea...i hear that alot on here.
This post was edited on 7/15/10 at 10:46 am
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:38 am to dukke v
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What a crock of shite
That's funny, considering you are one of those people.
Again, the only thing or person you are a fan of is Nick Saban.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:44 am to Rocket
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That's funny, considering you are one of those people.
NOT!!!!!!
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Again, the only thing or person you are a fan of is Nick Saban
Miles has done a shite JOB the last two years. If you can't see that you are blind.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:52 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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but Miles himself, by looking and acting like a goofball instead of a credible, smart tactician and hard nosed football coach, has left himself open to these criticisms
And there are plenty of people who support his termination who had negative opinions about the guy even during his first 3 years based on image. They were never really fans of him to begin with, eventhough winning 11 and 12 games were happening.
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This opens the door for people to start questioning his credibility
The people I'm talking about were questioning his credibility since he was hired.
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You can blame others for that if you want, but managing his own personal self image is his responsibility, not ours.
I'm aware of image among our fans. Image is important for sure. That's always right under the surface of what I'm talking about. If Miles had the image of a hardass, perhaps similar Saban, he'd have more fan support, in my opinion, than he does regardless of results. There would be more authentic support for him. The real kind, like PJ still has for Saban.
This post was edited on 7/15/10 at 10:57 am
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:53 am to dukke v
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NOT!!!!!!
Absolutely
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Miles has done a shite JOB the last two years. If you can't see that you are blind
Nobody is arguing that the past 2 years were excellent football. That doesn't change the fact that your undying support for Saban is very real.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:56 am to Choctaw
quote:No, it doesn't, that water can be 'bailed out'. It's taking on water, it can be saved, it has not gone down YET, but if somebody doesn't sound the alarm, it will.
It also implies that its going down. LSU football did not go down from '08 to '09.
quote:This is a very reasoned approach except for your last comment. It is MILES RESPONSIBILITY to make sure we have a competent QB, a quality O-line, and O-line coach who by the way sucks donkey balls and MILES HIMSELF HIRED and refuses to fire because he's a damn softy and feel good coach. This will be his demise IMO. So far Miles has recruited 3 QB's, none of whom are SEC caliber, an Ivy League transfer who should never have even been on the field, and a bad character guy. His batting average on QB's is ZERO. When you fail by betting on a kid one time, you get a pass, when you fail FOUR TIMES on four different kids, you fail.
I do agree that we should be a top 5 team. We just have different ideas of why we're not. I tend to see the forest for the tree and understand that, while we are very talented, we are not that talented at QB and o-line....two very important areas. While ya'll tend to do like the rest of the sheep and blame everything on Miles because its the easy thing to do.
quote:I have never, ever once said this and never will. It cheapens our NC. We won it fair and square and I am very proud of it. But Miles and Pelini mismanaged 2 of those games that caused it to be a controversial season, when it didn't have to be.
Actually...ya'll like to yell how LSU backed in while giving all the credit to the players with shite like "anyone could've coached that team to a NC.".....yea...i hear that alot on here.
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