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re: Les is More
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:38 pm to Rocket
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:38 pm to Rocket
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Les Miles: 70-31 record for a winning percentage of 68% according to CFB datawarehouse.
Nick Saban: 111-50 with a 68% winning percentage according to CFB datewarehouse.
Bo Pelini: 10-4 record as head coach and interim head coach for a 71% winning percentage.
Are you arguing about defense, winning percentage, who's the better program builder, who's the better program manager?
Or just arguing to argue?
Saban did his job at LSU... very well.
Miles has done his job at LSU... well also, but needs to get back to form this year.
Pelini is way too green as a HC to be mentioned with Saban and Miles.
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Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:40 pm to drizztiger
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IMO Pelini's defense started to show weakness his last season at LSU
That's true. But, Saban had some poor defense in 2007 at Bama and in 2001 at LSU, statistically.
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know between his last season at LSU, Malveto at LSU and Pelini at Nebraska, 50+ points have been given up FIVE times. A Saban defense hasn't given up 50+ points since Michgan State in 1999.
I think it'd be really unfair to use the defensive performance of a defense that Pelini didn't coach to support an argument against him, if that's what you were trying to do, although I understand that Malvetto left alot of his scheme in place.
This post was edited on 6/5/09 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:41 pm to drizztiger
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:41 pm to drizztiger
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Are you arguing about defense, winning percentage, who's the better program builder, who's the better program manager?
Or just arguing to argue?
I'm just posting facts.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:45 pm to Rocket
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:47 pm to tubucoco
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Pelini's 2006 defense was better than 2003 defense
Are you now suggesting the 2006 defense was better than the 2003 defense? I don't know about that.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:48 pm to Rocket
Yes, Malveto isn't on Pelini.
But between Miles and Pelini, each were directly involved in 3 games in which the opposition scored 50+ times the last 2 seasons.
But between Miles and Pelini, each were directly involved in 3 games in which the opposition scored 50+ times the last 2 seasons.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:49 pm to Rocket
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I'm just posting facts.
Pelini's career HC winning percentage is an irrelevant fact.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:50 pm to drizztiger
Perhaps Miles and Pelini need to get it straight.
Nonetheless, Tubucki or whatever his name is on drugs if he thinks the LSU defense under Pelini was less than stellar the entire time he was here.
Nonetheless, Tubucki or whatever his name is on drugs if he thinks the LSU defense under Pelini was less than stellar the entire time he was here.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:52 pm to drizztiger
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Pelini's career HC winning percentage is an irrelevant fact.
Irrelevant or not, it's a fact.
But, the facts you posted support any assertion that Miles and Saban are different coaches. One doesn't have to be like the other. Although having strong defense is a must for both coaches, and most coaches, to win.
This post was edited on 6/5/09 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:57 pm to Rocket
I think Saban, Miles and Pelini all helped LSU greatly. Each one has his own niche though.
Who would you choose to coach one game?
I'd pick Miles.
Who would you choose to build a BCS contender from a mediocre program?
I'd choose Saban.
Who would you choose to install and run a high octane offense?
I'd choose Miles.
Who would you choose to install and run a dominant defense?
I'd choose Saban.
Who would you choose to take over a BCS contender and maintain that standing?
I'd choose Miles.
Who would you choose to coach one game?
I'd pick Miles.
Who would you choose to build a BCS contender from a mediocre program?
I'd choose Saban.
Who would you choose to install and run a high octane offense?
I'd choose Miles.
Who would you choose to install and run a dominant defense?
I'd choose Saban.
Who would you choose to take over a BCS contender and maintain that standing?
I'd choose Miles.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 2:08 pm to Rocket
quote:if you call a defense that bent a lot but didn't break stellar, like I keep tellin you your the one on crack, going by your 2006 great Pelini defense they did not stop and ok Tim Tebow Fla offense that year one time, only the clock did or Tenn in the second half of 05.
Tubucki or whatever his name is on drugs if he thinks the LSU defense under Pelini was less than stellar the entire time he was here.
I just don't agree with you, leave it at that, grow up with the name slinging crap.
This post was edited on 6/5/09 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 6/5/09 at 2:11 pm to LoyalTiger
Posted on 6/5/09 at 2:22 pm to SECBengal
You have just called this thread
"I'm still jealous of Bama so here is a Nick slam instead of covering it up with bullshite about it being about Miles".
LSU was shite whe Nick got there. Just like us. Miles got the keys to a Ferrari. Deny it all you want but nobody but nobody thought you could win at LSU. Nick did, with a losing mentality surrounding the program. it had changed when Miles got there. How he lost 2 games in 07 with THAT team is the bigger question. To unranked teams nonetheless.
"I'm still jealous of Bama so here is a Nick slam instead of covering it up with bullshite about it being about Miles".
LSU was shite whe Nick got there. Just like us. Miles got the keys to a Ferrari. Deny it all you want but nobody but nobody thought you could win at LSU. Nick did, with a losing mentality surrounding the program. it had changed when Miles got there. How he lost 2 games in 07 with THAT team is the bigger question. To unranked teams nonetheless.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 2:42 pm to BaysideBama
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You have just called this thread
"I'm still jealous of Bama
I read the rest, but better to just stop there for the quote.
This Lil Nicky/Miles debate is always in the air because of how Saban left (Christmas Day, etc) and his return "I will not be the HC at Bama". It's hating Nick for who he is, not Bama jealousy.
The real problem is that those fans have gotten so jaded over Saban the pos person that they forget what he actually accomplished FOR LSU!
As far as your Miles comments, gfy. Miles deserves very little of the criticism he gets except for last year's Co-DC debacle. With the new hires in place, this years team should be much improved and if so, the program is right back on course.
The destruction of Miami, Notre Dame, Ohio State and Georgia Tech in the last 4 bowl games is a testament to Miles ability. In fact, Saban could learn quite a bit from Miles.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 2:52 pm to tubucoco
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you call a defense that bent a lot but didn't break stellar, like I keep tellin you your the one on crack
So, with you, points don't matter. Gotcha
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going by your 2006 great Pelini defense they did not stop and ok Tim Tebow Fla offense that year one time, only the clock did or Tenn in the second half of 05.
What about in 2002 where we got blown out at home by Bama? What about going to the Plains that year and having our arse handed to us by Auburn? What about our loss to Arkansas that year? What about getting hosed by Texas? What about in 2004 where we lost to Iowa and got blown out by UGA? You conveniently ignore those games because they don't help you in this thread. You argue about us losing games under Miles but don't under Saban.
You are terribly biased in this thread.
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I just don't agree with you, leave it at that, grow up with the name slinging crap.
Of course you don't, it's because you're biased and you don't have facts to support your argument. It would be one thing if you checked in with a soung argument but you have failed miserably to deliver one.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 3:25 pm to Rocket
dude I'm plain tired of you with your so called factual bullshite, your too damn dumb and blind because of the P&G glasses you wear to see that Saban was in the process of turning around a program that was no where near the program Miles inherited.
you post some stat bullshite on here about the teams Saban had in his program buliding mode days, and compare them to teams loaded down with talent Miles had with Pelini coaching the defense and expect people to agree with you, and I'm biased, your an idiot plain and simple, and I'm threw arguing with you.
you post some stat bullshite on here about the teams Saban had in his program buliding mode days, and compare them to teams loaded down with talent Miles had with Pelini coaching the defense and expect people to agree with you, and I'm biased, your an idiot plain and simple, and I'm threw arguing with you.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 3:38 pm to tubucoco
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dude I'm plain tired of you with your so called factual bullshite
Because you are too dumb to make an argument to refute them.
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your too damn dumb and blind because of the P&G glasses you wear to see that
You are so far up Saban's arse you can't come to terms with how good our 2005 and 2006 defenses were, even when only one of Saban's defenses yielded fewer points than Pelini's first 2 defenses here.
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you post some stat bullshite on here about the teams Saban had in his program buliding mode days, and compare them to teams loaded down with talent Miles had with Pelini coaching the defense
But, if Saban's way was beyond reproach, it would always allow fewer points/game than Pelini's no matter what. That's not the case.
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and expect people to agree with you,
I don't expect you to agree with me. You only care about the schemes, not points. You don't give Pelini any slack, just Saban.
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and I'm biased, your an idiot plain and simple
If I'm an idiot and you can't form an argument to refute me, what does that say about you? I knew a long time ago that you are dumb. You may be a good guy, but you are short on brains. You got fricked in the brain department. And we know this now because of your poor performance in this thread.
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and I'm threw arguing with you.
And you leave the thread knowing that you failed miserably.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 5:48 pm to drizztiger
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In fact, Saban could learn quite a bit from Miles
Posted on 6/5/09 at 5:53 pm to Rocket
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Deny it all you want but nobody but nobody thought you could win at LSU. Nick did, with a losing mentality surrounding the program
I love when Bama fans come with this bullshite besides the 1990's LSU has maintained enough wins in it's history in every other decade to be in the top 12 all time in wins.......
Nobody thought that bro except for Bama fans and most coaches referred to LSU as a sleeping giant.
Why? Because we lie on fertile recruiting grounds with no in state competition and South Texas loves them some LSU.
Bama hasn't won an SEC Championship this decade bro, looks like the Tides have turned. Nobody thought they could win at Bama till Saban took 4 mill.
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