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re: Lee vs. Stafford: The Comparison
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:00 pm to DoubleDeuce
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:00 pm to DoubleDeuce
A big difference here is True Fresh vs Redshirt Fresh.
Lee has had over 1 year to learn and practice for this season. Stafford had what? 3-4 months.
Lee has had over 1 year to learn and practice for this season. Stafford had what? 3-4 months.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:02 pm to TiegerTim
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I don't think it's really JL that most people have the problem with, he is a RS fresman. Most people have a problem with the way Les has handled the QB situation. Most would have liked to have seen more JJ is all...
Luckily they arent the coaches!
I would rather get JL all the work we can right now so it pays off in the future. Also, few people know how JJ did in his scrimmage games...;)
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:02 pm to ready4something
And make no mistakes about it. Lee could turn out to be a goat. But historically speaking there hasn't been a freshman QB in the SEC go out and win the SEC. Or am I wrong? I may be, but I can't think of one off the top of my head.
And stop shooting down other people's arguments with opinionated garbage. Give some proof that your arguement or lack therof is valid. You just seem to agree that JR was good and Stafford isn't that great. And you would rather have a QB that is now in the NFL. Well, we don't have that option, do we?
And stop shooting down other people's arguments with opinionated garbage. Give some proof that your arguement or lack therof is valid. You just seem to agree that JR was good and Stafford isn't that great. And you would rather have a QB that is now in the NFL. Well, we don't have that option, do we?
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:03 pm to Doc Fenton
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then turn into a guy capable of putting up yards and points consistently--as a starter
consistently may be an overstatement. Lee can't consistently throw a swing/screen pass.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:04 pm to DoubleDeuce
Tommy Hodson was First-Team All-SEC as a freshman, but that's why he's the best QB in LSU history. Chris Leak did alright, but regressed after his sophomore season, which you just can't predict. It's not easy.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:06 pm to Tigahbait25
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Lee has had over 1 year to learn and practice for this season. Stafford had what? 3-4 months
And Lee was the third-string QB going into the summer. People, we are playing with our third-string QB! Learing an offense doesn't mean anything it's something that analyst use to give them something to talk about.
What it comes down to is that neither Stafford nor Lee did very well in their freshman seasons and for very good reasons. They were both playing against some of the best defenses in the country and couldn't cut it. The game is just too fast to grasp on the fly.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:08 pm to Doc Fenton
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Tommy Hodson was First-Team All-SEC as a freshman
Good one...but I would venture to say that the SEC post 1999 is a much better conference defensively than the 80's. Not to take away what Hodson did.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:11 pm to DoubleDeuce
So with all the tough defenses lee has faced Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Alabama and dare i say Tulane. Should we expect to see any progress from lee against an overmanned Troy State team?
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:14 pm to ready4something
If Terrell Pryor did what lee is doing in Baton Rouge would he be benched for Boeckman?
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:18 pm to ready4something
Probably not, because if he was playing like Lee, he would still be better than Boeckman.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:21 pm to TigerArkitek
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Stafford will be the first QB taken if he goes into the draft this year.
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Why is this so funny? He is undoubtedly the best pro prospect QB in the nation. Who would go ahead of him? Please say Harrell or Tebow.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:28 pm to acgeaux129
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Why is this so funny? He is undoubtedly the best pro prospect QB in the nation. Who would go ahead of him? Please say Harrell or Tebow.
Sam Bradford
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:32 pm to DoubleDeuce
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Lee vs. Stafford: The Comparison
These are purely statistics and is an arguement I bring up to Lee-Haters consistantly. Stafford, in my opinion, is the best QB in the SEC and runs a comparable offense to LSU and would be a fair comparison. Here are some stats from each Lee and Stafford's freshman seasons.
Stafford - True Freshman
- 4 losses - Kentucky, Florida, Vandy & Tennessee (unranked Vandy & Kentucky)
- 52.7% completions
- 134.5 yards per game
- 108.99 effeciency rating
- 7 TD & 13 INT (0.5 : 1 TD to INT Ratio)
* Georgia had the #8 ranked total defense in the NCAA
Lee - Redshirt Freshman
- 3 losses - Florida, Georgia & Alabama (all in the BCS top 10)
- 53.4% completions
- 178.7 yards per game
- 120.6 effeciency rating
- 13 TD & 14 INT (0.9 : 1 TD to INT Ratio)
* LSU has the #24 ranked total defense in the NCAA (Bama #4, UF #14 & UGA #28)
It should be noted that UGA had Lumpkin, Ware & Brown as a 3 man rotation at RB, with Lumpkin getting the bulk of the load. Ironically this is very similar to the current LSU RB system.
My point is that so many fans are up-in-arms about the QB situation when they should be patient. I believe most coaches try to have a great team every year, but realistically they should prepare themselves for a cycle of 3-4 year runs.
After the 2003 Championship we were left with Marcus Randall and redshirt-freshman JaMarcus Russell. And that season wasn't much better than this year.
DoubleD this is to rational explaination for this board to comprehend. Great post but you are peeing into the wind.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:33 pm to ready4something
and he's the only one eligible that's close to him, yet he still doesn't have as good of arm strength. he's a better QB right now, no doubt, but then again, he plays against Big 12 defenses.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 5:36 pm to ready4something
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Sam Bradford
Posted on 11/11/08 at 8:53 pm to DoubleDeuce
its the damned run backs guys- the run backs- 7 TDs - nobody does that period- come on
Posted on 11/11/08 at 11:20 pm to DoubleDeuce
lol @ people using NFL scouts' opinions as if they mean anything. Those guys are wrong on an alarmingly regular basis.
Stafford is, by far, the most overrated QB to come along in recent memory. His decision making absolutely blows and despite his "amazing" arm, he throws a ton of ducks.
The ONLY thing he has going for him is his arm. If he had even merely an above average arm, he'd be an undrafted free agent because he isn't good at any other aspect of quarterbacking.
NFL scouts loved Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith and Heath Shuler, too. Those guys turned out great.
Stafford is, by far, the most overrated QB to come along in recent memory. His decision making absolutely blows and despite his "amazing" arm, he throws a ton of ducks.
The ONLY thing he has going for him is his arm. If he had even merely an above average arm, he'd be an undrafted free agent because he isn't good at any other aspect of quarterbacking.
NFL scouts loved Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith and Heath Shuler, too. Those guys turned out great.
Posted on 11/11/08 at 11:27 pm to DoubleDeuce
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Lee vs. Stafford: The Comparison
Stafford will be top 5 pick. J Lee will not be drafted. Any questions?
Posted on 11/11/08 at 11:55 pm to ScoopAndScore
While I do think that Stafford makes some questionable decisions more than a few times per game, he at least actually reads the defense and makes decisions, which is more than I can say for Tebow. Tebow may actually have to be taught how to find the safety if he goes the NFL route. The spread offense also hides his one deficiency in passing pretty well. His long passes don't get too many places fast. but the receiver is usually quite alone in space and Tebow is certainly far more accurate that Stafford and so receptions rather than INTs happen. Harrell should be a top ranked prospect as well. Bradford and McCoy are also ridiculously accurate, but every time I turn on the Big 12 , I see receivers with no one around them. I think they will all have a chance to succeed in the NFL.
Back to the point, Stafford has managed to progress behind some seriously lacking OLs - his first just had little to no talent, his second was inexperienced but kept progressing throughout the year, his third is desperately looking for warm bodies after losing their second string right guard/tackle for the rest of the year. I am not sure that UGA has made through two games in a row this year with the same starting OL. Yes, Stafford's Florida game sucked, but he was also slicing and dicing that secondary in the first half before some simply horrible playcalling and throwing in the red zone lead to patented UGA Cocktail Party meltdown. He could stand to stay another year, but I can't blame him for taking the money if it is there,
Back to the point, Stafford has managed to progress behind some seriously lacking OLs - his first just had little to no talent, his second was inexperienced but kept progressing throughout the year, his third is desperately looking for warm bodies after losing their second string right guard/tackle for the rest of the year. I am not sure that UGA has made through two games in a row this year with the same starting OL. Yes, Stafford's Florida game sucked, but he was also slicing and dicing that secondary in the first half before some simply horrible playcalling and throwing in the red zone lead to patented UGA Cocktail Party meltdown. He could stand to stay another year, but I can't blame him for taking the money if it is there,
Posted on 11/11/08 at 11:58 pm to HeyItsMe
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he throws a ton of ducks
Don't hate,
Tim Tebow
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