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Key play calls – Les vs. other top coaches

Posted on 11/6/12 at 5:45 pm
Posted by HornedFrogTiger
A little place called Asssssspen
Member since Nov 2012
16 posts
Posted on 11/6/12 at 5:45 pm
Long time reader, first time ranter. Have enjoyed TD for quite awhile – it reminds me daily that Tigers fans are the best in the world. Stoked to finally toss my hat into the Ranter ring.

My question is simply this: if you look across the spectrum of top coaches in NCAAF (ie C. Kelly, B. Kelly, C. Peterson, G. Paterson, Saban, J. Fisher, etc.), do any have the same number of questionable calls and coaching maneuvers that Les seems to face after practically every big game? I ask that sincerely – not as a rhetorical question. I honestly don’t watch every play of every other big game, nor do I monitor the sentiments of their fans after those big games. And if you put other metrics and stats aside (ie win/loss records, championships, history at the university, etc.), how much and when does this coaching characteristic become a liability?

My personal take? I’m guessing very few of those elite coaches cause their fan bases to question the play calls and decisions as much as Les causes LSU fans to question his. I’m guessing he’s alone in that regard. But until his wins dip below 10, and until his team no longer contends for an SEC and BCS title thru early November, the liability associated with those questionable calls will continue to be outweighed by the success he somehow seems to conjure. And taken on the whole, I’m guessing that practically every team in the country would accept this level of success, while also having to stomach their coach's liabilities. Hell, many of NCAAF's historical elites would likely beg for it right about now.

I’m not a Les apologist, nor am I Les hater. I’d like to think I’m a new Ranter, with a relatively balanced outlook on the matter. A ranter who happens to love the Tigers, love the Frogs (I’ll save that one for a future post), and loves his wins. And right now, I sincerely believe we have many more wins to look forward to. With the Mad Hatter still at the helm.

Geaux Tigers, and Geaux Frogs!
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
29961 posts
Posted on 11/6/12 at 5:50 pm to
My opinion is that because Les' style dictates a lot more close games than most coaches, his decisions in those close games will get more scrutiny. 2011 was the exception, not the rule, for Les' teams at LSU.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10348 posts
Posted on 11/6/12 at 5:51 pm to
All coaches get questioned....
He is not being questioned on the normal plays..
just his bone-head decision that are/were obvious to not work.

3 of the 4 plays were obvious and should have never been called.
Posted by Brageous
Member since Jul 2008
107724 posts
Posted on 11/6/12 at 5:55 pm to
quote:


He is not being questioned on the normal plays..
just his bone-head decision that are/were obvious to not work.


these are the exact plays that have worked for him in the past

Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7742 posts
Posted on 11/6/12 at 6:02 pm to
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3 of the 4 plays were obvious and should have never been called.



If they work, they're great. If they don't, Miles is an idiot. Fake FG was obvious. 54 yard FG was likely good if Alleman doesn't slip. 4th and 1 could have been a better play called, but it wasn't "obvious" that the play wasn't going to work. But go ahead and keep spouting the same shite if it makes you feel better.
Posted by HornedFrogTiger
A little place called Asssssspen
Member since Nov 2012
16 posts
Posted on 11/6/12 at 6:04 pm to
quote:

All coaches get questioned....


Maybe, but do the elite coaches get questioned to the same extent that Les does? As a pretty close follower of one of those coaches (Patterson), I can tell you absolutely not. And he doesn't have anywhere near the high degree of success that Les has driven over the last 5 years.
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7742 posts
Posted on 11/6/12 at 6:06 pm to
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As a pretty close follower of one of those coaches (Patterson), I can tell you absolutely not. And he doesn't have anywhere near the high degree of success that Les has driven over the last 5 years.

Pretty sure expectations from the TCU fanbase are considerably different than the LSU fanbase. When TCU loses, it's no big deal. When LSU loses, an opportunity to play for another championship is lost.
Posted by HornedFrogTiger
A little place called Asssssspen
Member since Nov 2012
16 posts
Posted on 11/6/12 at 6:17 pm to
quote:

When TCU loses, it's no big deal. When LSU loses, an opportunity to play for another championship is lost.


Wow, that's not arrogant. You honestly don't think a TCU loss has mattered over the last 5 years? You think a one-loss TCU team goes to the Fiesta? Or the Rose? Or is even mentioned in the title hunt?

You're right - it only matters if LSU loses.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28297 posts
Posted on 11/6/12 at 6:20 pm to
Recall when saban did a fake punt in the MNC game against Texas deep in his territory on a 4th and long.
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7742 posts
Posted on 11/6/12 at 6:23 pm to
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You honestly don't think a TCU loss has mattered over the last 5 years?

Not a knock on your program, but there's your answer. TCU has only recently become relevent, and I promise you that the expectations for your program are not at the same level as those of LSU ... either from your fanbase or from the media. TCU fans are ecstatic with a trip to a BCS Bowl. For many (very vocal) LSU fans, anything less than the BCSNC is a total failure. I'm not saying it's right ... I'm saying that's what has become of our fanbase.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
88216 posts
Posted on 11/6/12 at 6:53 pm to
Saban was questioned last year every time he lined up for a field goal, and rightly so.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61878 posts
Posted on 11/6/12 at 7:00 pm to
quote:

3 of the 4 plays were obvious and should have never been called.


1 fake FG...I agree no excuse
Warecat...I hated but they have gotten yds in short yardage with it.
53 yard FG, I hated, but some have told me Alleman shows that kind of leg in practice. But I really disliked the call.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!
Member since Mar 2007
22299 posts
Posted on 11/6/12 at 7:33 pm to
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if you look across the spectrum of top coaches in NCAAF (ie C. Kelly, B. Kelly, C. Peterson, G. Paterson, Saban, J. Fisher, etc.





Shirley you jest???

Putting those 3 with the other 3 is laughable.

You'll see that once you've played in an actual conference for a couple of years.

Wait and see which coach is questioned on September 1st 2013 bud
This post was edited on 11/6/12 at 7:36 pm
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