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re: JJ's First Take interview was pretty good

Posted on 6/19/11 at 9:13 pm to
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3072 posts
Posted on 6/19/11 at 9:13 pm to
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"So again I ask, what would you prefer? Double digit TD passes or double digit wins?"


Why are they mutually exclusive? Do you not think a good qb on a good team could throw double digit TD's and the team could win double digit games? Just because the team was able to compensate for JJ's ineptness does not guarantee it will happen again this year. How about a qb who contributes in more than 3 or 4 games??????????
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295819 posts
Posted on 6/19/11 at 9:15 pm to
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Let's list all of the teams that have QBs with higher QB ratings than JJ who did NOT win 11 games last year



How do you know that wasn't the brilliance of Gary Crowton? Hell, he was OC of an 11 win team.

Posted by WelcomeToDeathValley
1st & 1st
Member since Aug 2006
16947 posts
Posted on 6/19/11 at 9:31 pm to
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Gray Tiger



youve watched the SEC games over the recent years, and honestly think its probable to win the conference with a QB putting up well below average numbers?
This post was edited on 6/19/11 at 9:33 pm
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
46067 posts
Posted on 6/19/11 at 9:31 pm to
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You seem to be only interested in finding a single data point to support your position while ignoring hundreds that refute it.



he ain't the only one
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3072 posts
Posted on 6/19/11 at 9:52 pm to
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he ain't the only one


True I guess looking at it from the JJ cheerleading side they dont have very much in the way of statistics or JJ's performance to help their argument so grasping at straws, blaming all the other players on offense and flaming the posters who point out JJ's actual statistics and ridiculous quotes seems to be the only avenues they have.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 6/19/11 at 11:56 pm to
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What's wrong with the last OC?


You will have to ask Coach Miles to know for sure, but I assume the lack of QB development/regression in 08, the regression of JJ in 2010, and getting one sane play off in the final 32 secs of the Vol game had a tad to do with it.

quote:

but I don't pretend that LSU had an adequate QB last season.


LSU didn't have a consistently adequate QB, but there were games in which the QB was adequate. imo

Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28959 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 6:54 am to
Why can't everybody agree that while the QB position was horrible last year, it can get better and it was better the year prior. With all his flaws he still managed over 2300 total yards and 19 tds his first year starting with a run game that barely went over 1500 for the year. I think with trimming the fat from the playbook, i.e cutting down on the packages, running more than 1-2 plays out of a single set, and a fresh prospective on QB coaching, he can really have a turnaround. And I'm not talking improvement from the shame of 2010, I'm talking taking a decent 2009 performance and giving it an injection of adrenaline.

Krags will have, what is it 4-6 weeks, to work extensively on JJ's passing game. Fine tuning as best he can the mechanics, accuracy, and pocket presence. And do we all forget that he'll have Krags to go over game film from the previous game and continue to tweak his passing all season long. My belief is that by the end of the year, he starts to put up gaudy numbers. To me, his better games have been from Bama til the end of the season.

I hope he can have a similar turnaround as tj Yates from his junior to senior year.

214/355 60.3% 2136 14/15 and 2 rush td
282/422 66.8% 3418 19/9 and 3 rush td
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3072 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 7:38 am to
It can be but I have no confidence that JJ has the mental makeup to be a good qb. As for 2009 vs 2010 I think in 09 he did was new on the scene and got away with some things he didnt last yeaar. He is horribly inaccurate and weak mentally. I think our chances of having significantly improved qb play go up immensely if Mett ends up starting. I dont douby JJ may have some improvement but going from the 108th best qb to the 75th best qb is significant improvement but not enough to help LSU to the type of NC season we are hoping for.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162046 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 7:43 am to
No I answered his idiotic question. Of course everyone would take Ws over better production from our passing game. The question is, how likely is it to happen?

Gray acts like I'm expecting JJ to put up sick stats, but I don't think wanting your qb (in a pro style offense) to throw for double digit passing TDs is asking too much.

But in Gray's mind for every passing TD we go up surely we'll be go down 1 win because like some teams like have qbs who like pass well but they like still lose and stuff yeaaaaaa
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 7:47 am to
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if you really didn't give a shite, then you wouldn't be here posing questions like "why?" and "why are people getting upset over Heisman talk?".


asking why other people care doesnt mean i do.
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23323 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 8:08 am to
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quote:


but if we want to win a championship next season he'll have to get much better.




You know this how?

so if we want to win a championship next season he'll have to get worse?
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3072 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 8:20 am to
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so if we want to win a championship next season he'll have to get worse?


Again when your arguing in defense of JJ you cant use logic or facts that would kill your argument. Gotta flame and point fingers at others and try to confuse people with ridiculous arguments.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162046 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 8:31 am to
Gray has already explained if we want the passing game to improve we'll have to do so at the cost of victories. I mean tulane qbs have set the world on fire (I guess?????) and Tulane sucks. I mean for all the awards Ryan Griffin has won, Tulane has nothing to show for it right?
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
78573 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 8:35 am to
Has anyone mentioned the fact that we're giving props to JJ for not embarrassing himself and LSU during an interview?

Posted by SteveLSU35
Shreveport
Member since Mar 2004
14860 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 8:41 am to
Does anyone have a link to the interview?
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 8:44 am to
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Has anyone mentioned the fact that we're giving props to JJ for not embarrassing himself and LSU during an interview?


They're just giving props for having a good interview. This exact thread has been started for almost every single LSU player that has ever spoken in front of a camera
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 11:49 am to
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Gray has already explained if we want the passing game to improve we'll have to do so at the cost of victories.


Holy crap!! How did you get that!!! Please give me a quote. Are you so blinded by your hatred for JJ that you don't understand basic English?

You and others mintain that if JJ had a better QB rating that LSU would win more games, that LSU would win the MNC. I am merely pointing out the fallacy if your logic. I read the boring repitition of his QB rating and the LSU passing offense rating over and over like you think that it means anything more than unenlightened fans harping.
All your hand wringing proves nothing.
I have demonstrated that teams with better QB ratings; teams that have thrown more TD passes don't always have better records. In fact the opposite is often true.
The ureasoned hatred for a kid that has done more for LSU than all of you combined is almost frightning. Your illogic borders on obsession. Your personal attacks on him and anyone that bothers to show you the empiness of your premise is beyond silly.
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3072 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 12:17 pm to
Sure any team that has a qb who throws TD passes may not be succesful maybe because they had a bad defense.However you really dont think if LSU had a qb who contributed to the offense and threw TD passes it wouldnt help? Last year when JJ was in the game teams stacked the box and did not fear the pass. Do you not think a qb who contributes to winning as opposed to LSU having to win in spite of would be an improvement?????
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