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re: Jefferson isn't showing good accuracy in this video
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:39 pm to ChalmetteChampion
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:39 pm to ChalmetteChampion
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add 34 sacks stat boy ... most of which were his fault not the line . sometimes a sack is just as bad as an interception
You don't watch o-line play? and no, a sack is not as bad as a turnover. And some of the yardage lost on sacks is made up for by Jefferson's 305 rushing yards compared to Lee's -120.
And I have already stated in this thread, that Jefferson does need to improve his movement in the pocket. Many times when O-linemen were getting beat, Jefferson could have just stepped up in the pocket ore escaped to the left or right to buy some more time with his athleticism. I am hoping that is something he has improved on.
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Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:40 pm to ChalmetteChampion
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i'll say at least 20-24 were his fault
I'm thinking 14-16
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:40 pm to LSUdm21
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Not really. I've refuted everything you've argued in this thread so far champ.
By you calling me Champ is a tell-tell sign of me winning and where is Wat-Town
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:42 pm to inadaze
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And some of the yardage lost on sacks is made up for by Jefferson's 305 rushing yards compared to Lee's -120.
2009 Rushing Stats
Try 112 carries for 171 yards for a whopping 1.5 average.
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You don't watch o-line play? and no, a sack is not as bad as a turnover.
and btw a sack on 4th down is worse than an INT and a sack on third down can be a wash with a deep INT on 3rd down
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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My biggest problem with JJ's accuracy comes from the fact I rarely see him throwing at a moving target, he seems to need a static target. I don't even know how well he can throw to a moving reciever. Hopefully working with Gonzo. can help him in this regard.
Do you remember the TD to Reuben @ Ole Miss or the TD to Toliver over his shoulder in the back corner of the end zone against AU? Both were BIG TIME throws. He has the ability. He just needs to add consistency.
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:43 pm to hg
Gotta say, Im a fan of Lee in practice, but so was everyone else until he started throwin the pick sixes. Guy's got a freakin' arm, just no timing and while timing is a talent, it's very coachable.... (I'll leave that where it lies)
Jefferson, however, looks the same in practice as he does on the field... very inconsistent and inaccurate, but he has the power to chunk it and pray for a miracle. JJ just seems to be the safe option (to the coaches and the fans) because he holds onto the ball for a sack more than he risks a throw.
To be honest, I'm not a fan of either, but if I were the coach I'd work with Jarret Lee's timing instead of Jordan Jefferson's accuracy. One is much more easily coached than the other in my mind. I understand the recent hatred for Lee (believe me, I wasn't happy when he came in either), but I'd like to see what he's got now. See if he's studied our playbook at all...
Jefferson, however, looks the same in practice as he does on the field... very inconsistent and inaccurate, but he has the power to chunk it and pray for a miracle. JJ just seems to be the safe option (to the coaches and the fans) because he holds onto the ball for a sack more than he risks a throw.
To be honest, I'm not a fan of either, but if I were the coach I'd work with Jarret Lee's timing instead of Jordan Jefferson's accuracy. One is much more easily coached than the other in my mind. I understand the recent hatred for Lee (believe me, I wasn't happy when he came in either), but I'd like to see what he's got now. See if he's studied our playbook at all...
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:44 pm to BayAreaTigerFan
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By you calling me Champ is a tell-tell sign of me winning and where is Wat-Town
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:45 pm to TruLsu
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and btw a sack on 4th down is worse than an INT and a sack on third down can be a wash with a deep INT on 3rd down
How many sacks on 4th down did JJ take last year again?
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:46 pm to LSUdm21
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By you calling me Champ is a tell-tell sign of me winning and where is Wat-Town
I figured you would get a kick out of that
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:47 pm to TruLsu
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Try 112 carries for 171 yards for a whopping 1.5 average.
I was referencing both QBs career stats
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and btw a sack on 4th down is worse than an INT and a sack on third down can be a wash with a deep INT on 3rd down
how many 4th down sacks did Jefferson take last year
I get it, you want Lee to start because you have some weird infatuation with him, and so you want to win this argument. I'm not trying to win an argument with you. I want the best QB to start and play for LSU. That is #9.
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:49 pm to BayAreaTigerFan
um...that doesn't look like the "spread" offense.
that looks like an offense that needs a great offensive line to protect a pocket passer.
we don't have the offensive line to attempt those throws.
that looks like an offense that needs a great offensive line to protect a pocket passer.
we don't have the offensive line to attempt those throws.
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:49 pm to jg8623
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Quarterbacks
Worked on screen passes and wheel routes with the receivers and running backs. Jefferson and Zach Lee looked the most comfortable here as they both showed quick releases and had perfect accuracy, you can even argue that Lee's passes were coming in quicker. Jarrett Lee really struggled here as he still seems to float his short passes. Like Derek said, Paul Mainieri was in attendance keeping a close eye on Zach Lee.
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Quarterbacks
The first thing the quarterbacks did this afternoon was throwing slant routes to the receivers. Jordan Jefferson not only excelled in this drill hitting all of his targets in stride and with good speed on the throws, but he also showed glimpses of becoming that leader that every one wants to see this season. The junior starting signal caller was very vocal, saying things like "get there!" or "good job!" to his receivers after they made a play.
On offense, the wide receivers and quarterbacks worked on both their short and deep routes. Jordan Jefferson was hitting his receivers in stride more consistently this morning than when the group worked on deep balls earlier in the week. When talking leadership, both Jefferson and Jarrett Lee were getting after their receivers with instructions. There were a couple of times where I saw Lee tell the young guys to “get your head turned around on that route,” or something to that effect. I can’t remember Lee being this active and vocal last fall.
Quarterbacks
Jordan Jefferson continued his string of very sharp performances. He was throwing deep balls on a dime today. And as I was talking about with Matt Moscona while watching it, he is putting enough air under his balls to allow his receivers to run under them. This is the best he has ever looked.
For the second period of the media availability portion of practce, the five quarterbacks worked on play action roll out drills where they would hit a receiver 10 yards down field off the run. In my humble opinion, I think this was the best collected performance that they have shown as everyone from Jordan Jefferson to T.C. McCartney seemed to have good accuracy and zip on the ball despite throwing off their back foot.
Jefferson continued to excel with his deep balls 25 yards down the sidelines. He seemed to hit everyone of his receivers in stride. Zach Lee on the other hand, had problems finding the release point in this drill as he frequently over shot his receivers.
Sounds like JJ is doing prety well according to this guy who gets to actually watch part of practice?
i've been hearing the same things...
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:49 pm to LSUdm21
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Hell, even Vandy was putting pressure on him all game.
And Crowton's dumb arse kept calling 5-WR sets against Vandy
This post was edited on 8/18/10 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:50 pm to LSUdm21
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How many sacks on 4th down did JJ take last year again?
all he said was a sack was not as bad as a turn over, i was proving him wrong.
not completely sure if he took any, although i remember screaming about him taking a sack instead of throwing it up to give us at least a chance to move the ball. The guy was sacked 34 times but how many times did he scramble out and get tackled for no gain or 1 yard, those dont go as sacks.
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:52 pm to TruLsu
I can tell you that I would rather have an attempt or an incomplete pass than a sack that's for sure
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:54 pm to BayAreaTigerFan
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I can tell you that I would rather have an attempt or an incomplete pass than a sack that's for sure
That really didn't work very well for Lee now did it?
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:55 pm to SofaKingTrill
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What Lee did was throw more interceptions than Touchdowns and a record amount of pick 6s, that cost us wins. need more?
If you are one of the ones who think this is an okay reason to hate Lee and be all right with those who boo him, then you are on shitty son of a bitch. Those who hate Jefferson are also shitty, and dumbasses.
My question was what the frick makes it okay for people to bash a 19 year old Lee, then use the same excuse for Jefferon? You may not be one of those apologists for Jefferson, but your post makes it seem that way.
I'll repost what I put on the other page and direct it towards the guy who brough up Jefferson's age.
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:55 pm to inadaze
quote:ive posted 3 times in this thread, not one saying Lee should start, all i have done was argued with your statement about taking sacks and JJs rushing stats
I get it, you want Lee to start because you have some weird infatuation with him, and so you want to win this argument. I'm not trying to win an argument with you. I want the best QB to start and play for LSU. That is #9.
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:55 pm to TruLsu
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all he said was a sack was not as bad as a turn over, i was proving him wrong.
Generally speaking, a sack is not as bad as a turnover. 4th down sacks rarely ever happen in football. So you didn't prove anybody wrong.
A 4th down sack could be worse than a turnover, lets say an interception in this case, given the defense does not return the pick further down the field than the where the sack would have taken place. Any field position yards gained would work to your advantage, but again 4th down sacks are about as rare as good posts on this board.
Posted on 8/18/10 at 3:56 pm to LSUdm21
quote:not throwing it and taking the sack didnt work well for JJ did it?
That really didn't work very well for Lee now did it?
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