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re: Jarrett Lee
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:53 am to GeauxWarrior12
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:53 am to GeauxWarrior12
quote:Anecdotal evidence that is worse than worthless. That does not represent the majority of JJ's passes. Nor does it prove that JL did not get any completions over 25 yards by yards after the catch.
A Jefferson Completion of 25 yards or more....
And also I'm not biased towards Lee. I think JJ should be the starter like I've said a thousand times in this thread. I'm not the one that's blind my friend you are.
If you honestly believe that JJ's passes are by yards after catch and that none of JL's are, than maybe JJ should start just because he either hits the receivers in stride or the receivers apparently run so much harder for JJ.
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Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:54 am to south bama tiger
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So many posters on this board wanted a game manager at QB; that's pretty much what they got with JJ.
And along with that came the worst LSU offense in recent memory
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:56 am to south bama tiger
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Didn't the receivers Lee was throwing to have yards after catch?
What does that have to do with throwing the ball down the field???? I'm saying hitting a guy on a crossing route and him taking it over 25 yards isn't throwing the ball down the field. What does yards after the catch have to do with throwing it deep?
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:57 am to just me
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There is nothing wrong with seeing what needs to be done and seeing that it is done. Unselfishness is a key to team success. In this day of players seeking personal gain over team success, I'll take a hundred JJs.
Don't confuse cowardice with unselfishness.
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I didn’t want to pass it.
Translation: I didn't want the game in my hands.
Look, maybe I'm being too hard on him and your image of JJ as the consummate unselfish player who recognized that Crowton needed to be overruled in the situation because he knew Scott would roll for 30+ yards to the end zone or at least get us into legit FG rang is the proper history. It certainly worked out for us that day.
The problem is, I'm a pro-LSU sunshine pumper on most threads. And, I played QB in college. And I can't help but recalling this game and reading this very quote afterwards and remarking, "my God, we have someone playing the QB position who is scared. That doesn't bode well for Florida."
Then, we went out against Florida and threw for 10 yards.
I hope you're right, just me. You are certainly one of the smarter posters on here. Or at least I hope even if you are wrong, JJ has grown in the 9+ months since that game.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:58 am to just me
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f you honestly believe that JJ's passes are by yards after catch and that none of JL's are, than maybe JJ should start just because he either hits the receivers in stride or the receivers apparently run so much harder for JJ.
Then name 1 deep ball Jefferson has hit on except for Shep in the spring game???? He misses so many deep balls its unreal. Thats the point I'm making. He MISSES OPEN WRS DOWN THE FIELD. YOU CANT argue that one.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 1:02 am to GeauxWarrior12
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He MISSES OPEN WRS DOWN THE FIELD. YOU CANT argue that one.
No you cannot. This is pure fact. Anyone with an end zone ticket can tell you this. It was pretty pathetic last year.
So why does Lee suck when he comes in--Alabama and La Tech for example?
Posted on 7/27/10 at 1:02 am to RobbBobb
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It was JLee that directed the go ahead drive, without the vaunted running attack that JJ had
1st and 10 at LSU 41 --- Charles Scott rush for a loss of 1 yard to the LSU 40.
2nd and 11 at LSU 40 --- Jarrett Lee pass complete to Brandon LaFell for 7 yards to the LSU 47.
3rd and 4 at LSU 47 --- Charles Scott rush for 4 yards to the Alab 49 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at ALA 49 --- Charles Scott rush for 34 yards to the Alab 15 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at ALA 15 --- Trindon Holliday rush for 2 yards to the Alab 13.
2nd and 8 at ALA 13 --- ALABAMA penalty 5 yard offside accepted.
2nd and 3 at ALA 8 --- Stevan Ridley rush for 8 yards for a TOUCHDOWN. 15 10
Two-point conversion attempt, Jarrett Lee pass FAILED.
But this JL drive in no way limits the LSU offense:
1st and 10 at LSU 20 --- Jarrett Lee pass complete to Brandon LaFell for 12 yards to the LSU 32 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at LSU 32 --- Jarrett Lee sacked by Marcell Dareus for a loss of 4 yards to the LSU 28.
2nd and 14 at LSU 28 --- Jarrett Lee pass incomplete to Terrance Toliver, broken up by Kareem Jackson.
3rd and 14 at LSU 28 --- Jarrett Lee pass incomplete to Rueben Randle, broken up by Marquis Johnson.
4th and 14 at LSU 28 --- Jarrett Lee pass intercepted by Robby Green at the LSU 45, returned for no gain to the LSU 45.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 1:04 am to Mike Linebacker
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He shouldn't stop. He's keeping you at bay.
When folks start making up stuff (like JJ playing in the 4th qtr against Bama, and leading us to the go ahead TD) they do need to stop posting.
But like JustMe said, dont quit your day job
Posted on 7/27/10 at 1:05 am to GeauxWarrior12
quote:So your offer of proof that Lee is a great down field passer is: two plays and one is an incompletion.
Lee hits open WR's down the field. See Chris Mitchell against Alabama in 08.(Mitchell dropped it)
Also Mitchell against Auburn with a guy in his grill. Lee can get it down the field. When has Jefferson ever hit a guy deep down the field besides Shep in the spring game?
Compelling stuff.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 1:06 am to TIsuGGER
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But like JustMe said, dont quit your day job
Both sides hate me. I must be doin something right!
Posted on 7/27/10 at 1:08 am to Mike Linebacker
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So why does Lee suck when he comes in--Alabama and La Tech for example?
perhaps because he had seen ZERO action in about a year.
Why? because our vaunted #1 QB could not build a big enough lead to get Lee into the game; even against teams that didnt make a bowl game!
Posted on 7/27/10 at 1:09 am to just me
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Compelling stuff.
No, compelling stuff is when one lies to prop up JJ.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 1:09 am to just me
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So your offer of proof that Lee is a great down field passer is: two plays and one is an incompletion.
Compelling stuff.
TD pass to D Byrd down the sideline against Alabama 08. Again can you name one Jefferson deep ball? I've ask several times and gotten no answer.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 1:10 am to just me
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So your offer of proof that Lee is a great down field passer is: two plays and one is an incompletion.
Compelling stuff.
Oh, c'mon just me. You can't ask for evidence and then bitch that it's not quantitatively overwhelming. Lee's pass to Mitchell would have been legendary if the WR held it. And his pass v. Auburn was awesome. Lee, for all of his faults, hangs in the pocket and delivers some great passes.
Unfortunately, he also has trouble recognizing the LB in drop coverage. (As an aside, I will say that is the hardest thing to recognize as a QB).
Posted on 7/27/10 at 1:10 am to TIsuGGER
quote:I made a mistake. I acknowledge that. I guess there is no way that JJ could have handed the ball off to Scott, Holliday, and Ridley the way that JL did. Please accept my apologies.
When folks start making up stuff (like JJ playing in the 4th qtr against Bama, and leading us to the go ahead TD) they do need to stop posting.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 1:12 am to just me
TD pass to Byrd against miss state 08. Another well thrown deep ball. Again a Jefferson deep ball please???
Posted on 7/27/10 at 1:18 am to Mike Linebacker
quote:I don't hate you. I disagree with your interpretation of JJ's quote. I played QB also, albeit not in college. The right play was called against Georgia.
Both sides hate me. I must be doin something right!
When Bernie Kosar was playing against Boston College in the possession before Flutie threw the famous pass, he told his coach something that I will never forget. He could have asked for the ball. He could have said that no one else could do what he could do. He didn't. He told his coach to run the ball. Not because he was scared, but because that was the right call, the winning call.
The coach listened to Kosar. Miami didn't pass. They ran the ball. They scored on that play, and they would have won the game . . .
Nobody would ever say that Kosar was scared. He was pumped up, and he wanted to win the game.
I think JJ was the same way. I can't imagine him saying that he didn't want to throw it because he was scared.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 1:21 am to just me
TD pass to Lafell against Georgia 08. Jefferson deep ball?
Posted on 7/27/10 at 1:28 am to GeauxWarrior12
quote:Let's start with some passes to Rueben Randle
TD pass to Byrd against miss state 08. Another well thrown deep ball. Again a Jefferson deep ball please???
Posted on 7/27/10 at 1:29 am to just me
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just me
man, how do you manage to piss of the poster that starts taking up for you? Sherman maybe? shite.
In any case, I don't really have a dog in the fight. I'm neither a JJ nor JL fan, b/c I'm not convinced from what I've seen that either can lead this team to a national championship, much less the SEC championship.
That being said, you pick the lesser of two evils, and go with JJ. While you hate the anemic offense, turnover ratio always wins in the win. JJ has the lower ratio, therefore he goes first. It's a crapshoot other than the turnovers.
This post was edited on 7/27/10 at 1:30 am
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