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re: Jarrett Lee
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:10 pm to Big EZ Tiger
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:10 pm to Big EZ Tiger
quote:
Take a look at the last five starts for each guy:
Jarrett Lee - Opponents (Tulane, Alabama, Troy, Ole Miss, Louisiana Tech)
52-122 (42%)
650 yds. (130 yds. per game)
4 TDs, 7 Ints.
His long was 38 yards
He had a pass for 30+ in 3/5 games
Jordan Jefferson - Opponents (Tulane, Alabama, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Penn St.)
70-120 (58%)
908 yds (181 yards per game)
8 TDs, 4 Ints.
His long was 43 yards.
He's had a pass for 30+ in 4/5 games
Lee 3-2
JJ 2-3
bad comparison
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Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:10 pm to TheDoc
Looks like I'm a bit slow. But hey, I bolded and italicized mine. Makes it jump right off the page.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:12 pm to TIsuGGER
quote:
Weak arse shite
Hard to touch the defender when you have already given up on the play, right?
No, it's hard to touch a defender when the interception is thrown behind 80% of your offense. You can pull up each of the interceptions, except the Troy one, on youtube. Go back and watch them. The five I listed are thrown in a wide open area of the field with a clear lane to the endzone.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:12 pm to TIsuGGER
quote:
Weak arse shite
Hard to touch the defender when you have already given up on the play, right?
Seriously?!? And you call his in-depth analysis weak arse shite?
Okay, so we can officially count you out of the "people willing to intelligently and/or honestly discuss the issues" crowd. You really don't give a frick about the facts, do you?
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:13 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
On these interceptions, no one even touched the defensive player. You really can't blame the rest of the offense for that.
And I don't think anyone is BLAMING the rest of the offense. The point is that there was nothing special about the interception itself that made it meaningfully more likely to be returned for a TD than other interceptions. The exception is Auburn, which was a bad, bad play. Ironically, Lee played like a stud the rest of that game.
All of these were thrown generally in the middle of the field, downfield anywhere from 10 to 25 yards downfield.
The critique on Lee (as of now) is that:
1. He fails to recognize coverage schemes at line as well as a good QB should.
2. In my view, when the play is unfolding, he is only looking at Tiger receivers and disregards the defenders (I had this problem too in my sophomore year of high school, worked on it and dropped my ints by 2/3rd in my junior year). That's just my theory so others can disagree.
3. He's fairly inaccurate on non-deep balls.
4. He's risky.
These all lead to too many INTs. A fair criticism. That they were returned for TDs is a little unfair.
This post was edited on 7/27/10 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:14 pm to just me
quote:
You really don't give a frick about the facts, do you?
You just figured that out?
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:16 pm to Doc Fenton
quote:
Florida, Alabama, & Ole Miss
And since these were the biggest games of the year, it's interesting to see what happened here in particular:
FL, 25-97 rushing, 11-17-96 passing, 1 INT, 5 sacks for 31 yards
AL, 26-122 rushing, 14-27-158, 1 INT, 3 sacks for 27 yards
MS, 23-71 rushing, 19-37-250, 1 INT, 4 sacks for 31 yards
FL, 3.88 YPRush, 2.95 YPPassPlay
AL, 4.69 YPRush, 4.37 YPPassPlay
MS, 3.09 YPRush, 5.34 YPPassPlay
Also, the Ole Miss stats looked a lot different before KW's 10-yard loss & fumble, and the 121 passing yards from the hurry-up offense of LSU's last 2 drives.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:18 pm to Mike Linebacker
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All of these were thrown generally in the middle of the field, downfield anywhere from 10 to 25 yards downfield.
Nope.
The Spikes int. and the first Gamble int. were thrown in the box. It looks like both were on slant routes, but I can't say for sure. These were anything but downfield. Both these guys were gone on the interception because there was no offense in front of them.
The Tulane int. and Johnson int. were deeper. But on both the these the ball was horribly underthrown and the interception occurred several yards in front of all the receivers. The only way the tackle could have been made is if the OL and Lee could have shed their blocks and run clear across the field to make the tackle. These two may be a little more forgivable than the first three, but it was still thrown to such a bad spot, that no one can reasonably expect the offensive players to make the tackle in that position.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:20 pm to just me
quote:
But go ahead and ignore the truth, spin the facts, and bash on JJ.
You are a f'kin liar. Show me where I bashed on JJ. Prove it.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:21 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:
119th ranked offense.
im a lee supporter by all means but god damn ppl quit making stats up this shits hilarious
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:22 pm to TruLsu
quote:
quote:
Bottom line is this: Crowton has sucked balls the last 2 seasons.
Thats a bingo
FIFY
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:22 pm to TIsuGGER
quote:
Lee 3-2
JJ 2-3
bad comparison
No, it's not. Because as I stated earlier, we needed JORDAN JEFFERSON to run an option and finally get us in the end zone against Troy on 4th and 2 at the end of the 3rd quarter when it was 31 - 3. We couldn't get in with Lee. JJ started the comeback. Otherwise, it was over right there.
It's about general performances and JJ's opponents were a little tougher (and JJ actually had road games).
If you wanted to compare wins and losses, J. Lee is 5-4 in his first and only nine starts. JJ was 7-2 in his first nine starts.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:24 pm to Mike Linebacker
quote:
The critique on Lee (as of now) is that:
1. He fails to recognize coverage schemes at line as well as a good QB should.
2. In my view, when the play is unfolding, he is only looking at Tiger receivers and disregards the defenders (I had this problem too in my sophomore year of high school, worked on it and dropped my ints by 2/3rd in my junior year). That's just my theory so others can disagree.
3. He's fairly inaccurate on non-deep balls.
4. He's risky.
Also, he tends to throw off his back foot and will force the ball when pressured.
This, in my opinion, is the biggest and most severe difference between Lee and Jefferson. These types of errors are indications of quarterback who fears contact. That is an awful difficult thing to correct. It also helps explain why, according to some, Lee looks like Joe Montana in practice and then struggles so much on the field.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:24 pm to Big EZ Tiger
A thread started to give kudos to LSU's backup ends up with retards bashing players.
Who would have thought? I am beginning to become a little embarrassed at this f'd up fanbase.
Who would have thought? I am beginning to become a little embarrassed at this f'd up fanbase.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:26 pm to TheDoc
JL threw the ball 35 times against the #1 team in the country and took them to overtime, JJ has only been asked to throw the ball maybe 12-15 times a game....After JL the coaching staff either learned or didn't trust JJ enough to throw the ball at least 20 times per game and became very predictable...(113th rnaked offense)Until JJ can take the ball down the field on a consistant basis and score I would rather throw a pick 6 and win by 14 than run the ball the whole game and finish with worst offense in the SEC
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
there needs to be more qb threads on the OT that went really well until moved to the rant 
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
A thread started to give kudos to LSU's backup ends up with retards bashing players.
Facts aren't "bashing."
Very few in this thread are straying away from numbers and analysis. The ability to look at information and draw a conclusion is called reasoning, not bashing.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:31 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
Facts aren't "bashing."
You ain't reading the whole thread chief. A kudos thread ends up as a "us vs them" riding the jocks of two players on the same team.
This post was edited on 7/27/10 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:31 pm to Big EZ Tiger
quote:
If you wanted to compare wins and losses, J. Lee is 5-4 in his first and only nine starts. JJ was 7-2 in his first nine starts.
Who has more losses as LSU's starting QB?
Jefferson, with 5.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Dude, look at yourself.
I am beginning to become a little embarrassed at this f'd up fanbase.
Start there.
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