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re: It just doesn't happen here (that often)

Posted on 3/11/15 at 5:35 pm to
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 5:35 pm to
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What does that have to do with anything? You guys aren't even making a point now



It means looking at overall totals can be misleading.

Here are their SEC #'s:

Jennings 48% Lee 56%
Jennings 20 attempts/g Lee 25 attempts/g
Jennings 110 Yrds/game; Lee 194
Jennings 5.6 Yrds/Attempt; Lee 7.7
Jennings 4 TDs, Lee 10
Jennings 4 Ints, Lee 13
Jennings 99 Rating, Lee 124
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 5:37 pm
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28061 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 5:41 pm to
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Led greatest comeback in LSU history vs Troy Rallied to take Bama into OT


against Troy????? , why did we not put up enough points prior to having to make a comeback?

Rallied for OT against Bama , who in the hell fault you think it was that we were down in the first place? Lee was intercepted 3 times in regulation, one for a pick six. He was then intercepted in the endzone in OT, throwing up shot for grabs.

In discussing year one of playing, Lee DID NOT get better throughout the year. His first game, was his best game, and he deteriorated the rest of the season ala Jennings.

AND PEOPLE STILL DONT UNDER STAND THAT LEE WAS LED WITH EXPERIENCED PASS CATCHERS. I mean my GOD that gives him a whole lot more help than what Jennings had to work with, and he still failed miserably.

So I say all this to say, Lee improved, Jennings can too.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
19115 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 5:44 pm to
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there was nothing in JL's first 3 years of the program that made me think he could ever do anything but suck. He didn't show anything worth while till his fourth year. 


What exactly has Jennings shown to make you think he won't suck? Or are you content to just limp along for another season while we wait for it?
Posted by alumni95
Member since Jun 2004
7592 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 6:09 pm to
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Datbayoubengal

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TigerBait1127


Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 6:47 pm to
I can't see hoe anyone would rather have 2008 Lee than 2014 Jennings on last year's team. Anyone want to guess how many SEC games we would have lost had we thrown another 9 interceptions?
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94368 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 6:50 pm to
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Lee actually improved. Have seen zero improvement from Jennings.


Lee didn't improve game to game.

He improved season to season Along with any other qb in the history of the game.

Something this board won't allow Jennings to do.
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94368 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 6:52 pm to
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What exactly has Jennings shown to make you think he won't suck?


He's 10-4 as a starter.

Either that's excellent coaching putting the team in position by a coach you all hate and call a liar, or a QB that's only a true sophomore can and will improve.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
213540 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 6:54 pm to
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I mean my GOD that gives him a whole lot more help than what Jennings had to work with, and he still failed miserably.


So you hate LEE but LOVE AJ...Hmmmmm......
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:31 pm to
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. Anyone want to guess how many SEC games we would have lost had we thrown another 9 interceptions


I've already addressed this. I don't think he would have thrown near the same # of interceptions. We were airing it out under him because of our defense.

He moved the ball through the air but made mistakes. We'd have a better chance in the Arky game for sure

I like Jennings, but he doesn't have the arm talent that Lee had
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 7:33 pm
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:37 pm to
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I've already addressed this. I don't think he would have thrown near the same # of interceptions. We were airing it out under him because of our defense.


On a yards per play and points per play basis, our 2014 defense was not significantly different from the 2008 unit. In fact, take away the Lee picks and it may have been almost identical.

The difference between 2008 and 2014 was the commitment to the running game..
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
30810 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:47 pm to
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2014 defense was not significantly different from the 2008 unit.


2008 vs. 2014 total defense:

2008 #9

2014 #1

almost 700 more yards given up through the air in 2008
almost 500 more yards given up on the ground in 2014

I think the rushing defense got a ton better once welter got benched
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 7:50 pm
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:03 pm to
2014 - 845 plays - 4.87 yards per play - 4119 total yards
2008 - 846 plays - 5.00 yards per play - 4232 total yards

I don't consider the defense to be a distinguishing factor. The difference between Jennings and Lee is that Jennings took the high percentage low-risk plays, and Lee dug himself a hole to get out of with trying to force some passes.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
213540 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:10 pm to
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The difference between Jennings and Lee is that Jennings took the high percentage low-risk plays, and Lee dug himself a hole to get out of with trying to force some passes.







The difference between Lee and AJ is that Miles had more confidence to let Lee make some plays and AJ doesn't have what it takes for them to let him run ANY high risk plays.... You can throw your stats out the window when it comes to this debate.......
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:26 pm to
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Miles had more confidence to let Lee make some plays


How did that go?
Posted by jumpup123
Member since Jan 2015
182 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:28 pm to
This years ol wasn't that great unti the UF game and was horrible in the Arkansas game. It was dominate in the middle part of season.
Posted by lsufan1909
Member since Mar 2015
226 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:41 pm to
Its ignorant to quote that when this is a team sport, and the team often had to pick up his slack
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:46 pm to
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"I played a lot as a true freshman, which is unheard of at quarterback here."


Thanks for pointing out that LSU is behind the times since freshman QB's are playing all over college football with a helluva lot less talent surrounding them and a helluva lot cheaper coaching staff.
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
5440 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:06 pm to
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Jamarcus Russell - #1 OVERALL NFL Draft Pick... NOPE
Ryan Perrilloux - #1 Dual Threat QB prospect... NOPE
Russell Shepard - #1 Dual Threat QB prospect... NOPE (ETA, not as a starter, some Wildcat)



Great post dude, but you forgot to add that Marcus Spears didn't even play one down at QB as a true freshman...
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
19115 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:17 pm to
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a coach you all hate and call a liar


This was a response to me, so why are you putting words in my mouth? Never said I didn't like coach and I have never called him a liar.

As for AJ, sure he can improve. Wouldn't shock me at all if he plays a little better next year. Do I think he'll be good enough to win a division title? No. Will Harris? Maybe, maybe not. But I want to find out. AJ's a great competitor but he cannot make all the throws and another year in the system isn't going to change that. You need a big arm to run Cam's offense. AJ doesn't have it. Furthermore, I've seen no promise from him. I've never seen him step up and make a big throw to help win the game, except for Arky '13, and maybe the pass to Dural on 3rd and 25 against UF (although there was no one within 15 yards of him). J Lee at least had a few moments like that. I could see, underneath all of his struggles, some real talent there. I don't see it with AJ. All of that said, I do think Les made the right decision in starting him after the Auburn game. But I think they were all waiting for Harris to catch up. If he really has, as it appears, that's the guy I want to see and I think that's the guy Les and Cam want to see. If he fails, give AJ back the ball.

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He's 10-4 as a starter


This is only slightly above average at best.

Posted by LSUTil_iDie
Lawrenceville, GA
Member since Jan 2012
5511 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:27 pm to
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he was set up for success with talent around him about as good as he possibly could have been.


With 1st year starters at WR that couldn't get open or fight off jams?
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