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re: Is the QB position back open?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:51 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:51 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:51 am to Salmon
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Etling hasn't exactly progressed.
You must be watching different games than I.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:55 am to 31TIGERS
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Reling can think for himself and process as the game goes along. Brandon seems like a good kid and all but he just can't cut it.
Time to roll with Etling and not look back. We've been needing a Matt Mauck/Matt Flynn/ Zach Mettenberger type of quarterback for a long time now.
This kind of comment is why people wonder about how much race plays a role in all of this.
This is about the most politically correct way to say Brandon is dumb and then it is followed up with "we need a Mauck/Flynn/Mettenberger type of QB" while totally skipping over Jamarcus and failing to acknowledge that Jefferson in 2009 was the best year from an individual QB other than 2013 Mett since Jamarcus graduated - and that includes Flynn in 2007.
I'm not saying it is a racially motivated comment, but it definitely doesn't look good, does it?
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 11:11 am
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:58 am to lsutiger2010
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Etling hasn't looked great, but watching him move around in the pocket compared to Harris speaks volumes about who the better QB is.
It speaks volumes about who has better pocket awareness. That is an important part of playing QB, but it isn't some trump card.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:59 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
quote:Well we do know that Harris wouldn't have missed Dupre because that is the only receiver he ever looks at
How many times did Etling miss Dupree on the last drive????
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:59 am to slackster
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It speaks volumes about who has better pocket awareness. That is an important part of playing QB, but it isn't some trump card.
In a pro-style play-action offense it most certainly is. The problem is our o-line is having trouble creating anything even resembling a pocket.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:01 am to slackster
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This kind of comment is why people wonder about how much race plays a role in all of this.
Yea, naming the successful QBs we've had is clearly about race.
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Jamarcus and failing to acknowledge that Jefferson in 2009 was better the best year form an individual QB other than 2013 Mett since Jamarcus graduated - and that includes Flynn in 2007.
He's saying we don't need a prolific passer like JR. All we need is a manager type. Obviously we'd take a JR, but we don't need it.
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I'm not saying it is a racially motivated comment, but it definitely doesn't look good, does it?
It's only there if you look for it. Which is clearly what you're doing here.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:10 am to LNCHBOX
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He's saying we don't need a prolific passer like JR. All we need is a manager type. Obviously we'd take a JR, but we don't need it.
He didn't say any of that. Mauck, Flynn, and Mettenberger are 3 different QBs from a skill standpoint. Flynn and Mauck ran it wayyyy more than Mett, with Flynn being the best runner of the group. Flynn was a mediocre passer, Mauck was better, and Mett had the best arm and talent of the group in 2013. Jefferson in 2009 was everything that Flynn was in 2007, except he was better than Flynn at it.
The only thing those QBs have in common to anyone who has an inkling of football knowledge is that they're white QBs. If we're comparing skill sets, Etling is similar to Flynn and Jefferson, with Jefferson's 2009 season being the best of the bunch.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:12 am to slackster
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He didn't say any of that
He didn't need to. Only people looking for the race angle would take it the way you worded it.
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The only thing those QBs have in common to anyone who has an inkling of football knowledge is that they're white QBs.
If that's all you see, that's great. But the person inserting race into it is you.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:13 am to MightyYat
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In a pro-style play-action offense it most certainly is. The problem is our o-line is having trouble creating anything even resembling a pocket.
If we're going to run PA passes out of the I formation so often, you have to take shots down the field and complete some of those passes. Harris has shown he can do this and Etling has struggled thus far.
Regardless, I concur with the assessment that Etling hasn't done anything worthy of being benched at this point, but he hasn't run away with the starting spot either. You stick with him if/until he gives you a reason to make a change.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:16 am to Salmon
Best thing etling did was fumble that handoff bc we would've won had he not done that and miles would still be the coach. Thanks etling.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:16 am to LNCHBOX
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He didn't need to. Only people looking for the race angle would take it the way you worded it.
I understand that it is a sensitive topic and people are going to be defensive, and I know you and I go back and forth on this kind of stuff, but you're giving him context that was sorely missing.
Etling, Mett, Flynn, and Mauck don't have a ton in common on the football field, and JR was a better QB than all 4 while Jefferson has more in common with Etling than both Mett and Mauck.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:18 am to slackster
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but you're giving him context that was sorely missing.
No, you're adding context (RACE) that isn't there.
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and JR was a better QB than all 4
How many millions of times has "LSU just needs average at QB" been posted lately? His post said "we need." You're just doing typical you things and adding shite that isn't there.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:19 am to slackster
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It speaks volumes about who has better pocket awareness. That is an important part of playing QB, but it isn't some trump card.
Outside of sheer arm strength, I haven't seen any area that Harris has an advantage. There may not be a world of difference between the two, but pocket awareness is one area that is glaring.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Outside of sheer arm strength, I haven't seen any area that Harris has an advantage. There may not be a world of difference between the two, but pocket awareness is one area that is glaring.
I agree about the pocket presence, but even if people criticize Harris's decision making, he was never afraid to take a shot down field and he was pretty good at deep balls. Etling has shown that he'll dump it off, but he rarely goes deep and he isn't very accurate when he does. People chalk it up as Etling being a superior decision maker, but as I stated last week, always making the decision to check it down isn't necessarily the best decision every time.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:38 am to LNCHBOX
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No, you're adding context (RACE) that isn't there.
I'm asking for context from him. If his post was based on similar QBs, he missed one who is very similar (Jefferson) and included another who isn't close to being similar (Mett).
He's either football illiterate or there was a nefarious underlying reason for his post.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:42 am to TLit
Just wait and see! BH and DE are both on the field now. Good stuff
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:52 am to lsupride87
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He took a hit. Big fricking deal, its football. He wasnt concussed or injured. That didnt have any affect on his play
I would agree with some of your previous posts but this one...just wrong. Of course it affected his play. He was rocked pretty hard in the head, lost his helmet and the other Auburn player landed on top of him and his helmet cut his forehead and lip.
So, yes, I would say that it affected his play somewhat.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:10 pm to Salmon
Are y'all watching the same damn games I am?
It's clear that Etling is clearly better than Harris.
It's clear that Etling is clearly better than Harris.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:13 pm to southernelite
Going to be great to see if Ensminger actually believes in Etling or if he is more of a B.Harris believer.
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