re: is Miles now the 2nd best coach in the SEC?

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A few teams off the top of my head whose starting QB had less career PT and/or fewer career starts going into the season than Jordan Jefferson had going into this season:

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The Bama QB signed in 06, his RS season, and saw action in both 07 and 08.

Tell me you are not really wanting to compare that with a guy who was pressed into action like 4 months after walking onto the LSU campus.

Can we just be a little fair to JJ and all admit that a hell of a lot has been placed on his shoulders a lot earlier that most, if not all the examples you gave, and give the benefit of the doubt to him till we see how he handles the 10 season?

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20 career pass attempts in garbage time is considered more pt than someone who 73 attempts and 2 starts because the guy with 20 passes played dating back to the golden era of 2007?

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So that's 4 years in a College football program. And signed by Mike Shula like Sarah Jessica Parker was.

Well Roger the Shrubber, refresh my memory. How many SEC titles does Nutt have? How many National Championships? And, wasn't his team supposed to win the SEC West this year? How did that work out?

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All of those are relevant, with the exception of bowls record and OOC record and possibly home/away record, but all must be adjusted for the peculiar situations the teams are in. Succeeding at Mississippi State means a lot more than succeeding at Texas or Florida, obviously, since it is so much harder to do. A coach who takes over an elite program will naturally have a better record (at least in the short term) than a coach who has to rebuild a program when he takes over, unless the rebuilding coach is just so ridiculously superior that he manages to do better even while rebuilding, such as Saban having a better record at Alabama than Miles has at LSU.

Trend is also important. On the day he was fired, Larry Coker probably had a better record at Miami than 90% of coaches had at whatever school they were at, but his trend was downward. Clearly, Miles inherited a loaded program, and as a result he had three great years at the beginning. The program has obviously taken a downturn over the last two years. It's not happening as fast or as dramatically as it did with Coker, but the trend is similar in its direction.

Of course, in expressing my opinion above, I also considered what I expect to happen in the future. I expect Miles to continue to take our program down toward mediocrity, while the others either build theirs up or maintain them at a higher level, unless they are at programs inherently unable to advance beyond a certain point (South Carolina, Kentucky, Ole Miss, etc.).

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I certainly agree that we have to take into account starting positions, unique situations and trends. But when we do that we should consider it both ways.

For e.g. when spurrier ruled the roost here in the SEC there was pretty much no challenge to him - but just when folks thought there would be challenges he up and left to the NFL so we can't know how he would have fared now at Florida ( I consider the South Carolina SoS as a shadow version and not taking that into consideration) or if Nick could have even won that year had spurrier been there! This is part of the trends and if game not shown in statistics as you mentioned.

While you consider the trend that Miles is losing games to his "superiors" and will continue to do so - I saw the record state differently this year from 3-5 to 5-3 which is a remarkable difference.

I saw that he changed his DCs this year and brought in new coaches for the next year and while that might be slow for some folks I don't think it could have been done midstream

I take into account that Saban, with all his $4 million talk and Liar Liar reputation would put shoulders to the wheel and really gut it out for a few years.

At the same time we had a screw up with RP and it was Miles' fault for not having another QB ready and then forced to throw JJ to the fire and then him being scared of INTs and that screwed us for two years (not really a good thing)

Just like you have your "intuition/guts" based on a trend - I feel that Saban cannot keep on doing this because as we proudly boast to everyone else - this is the SEC where even USC/Ohio State/Texas and Oklahoma cannot win the Conference every year.

I certainly hope and feel that Miles will bounce back next year with or maybe without a win over Bama but certainly on the road to another SEC championship title within the next few years and possibly maybe even another title if we are lucky

BTW I am not a Miles apologist and really care only about LSU winning. I wouldn't care about perception if we needed a coach and if the only way to win was to get Meyer to come coach us with a public begging and $6 million.

I feel that a coach who brought us a title with or without luck deserves some time to right the ship (iff it has gone off course) if only because he gave us that elusive title - and believe me it is elusive. Consider that as gratitude if you may.

Except in Miles' case I think we are too close to the trees to see the forest and are perhaps being too affected by Saban being at Bama as well and mayhap the ship is not any more off course than any other ship but it affects us more being on it.

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How does Miles lose 3 times in a row to such a shitty coach, Tiger Tap?

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When was this?????

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That's ok, I'm coinvinced you have the knowledge of a Bundt cake.

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You can always depend on the rant for some awesome one liners.

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When was this?????

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he lost to Nutt 2007 2008 and 2009, Peej. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!!!

So I'm putting you down as a "No" in response to the original poster Max?

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I'd put Richt, Spurrer, Petrino and Nutt ahead of him for sure.

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I live about half a mile from the UGA campus and I can tell you Dawg fans are ready to ride Richt out of town on a rail. Spurier hasn't dont anything since leaving Florida. Petrino hasn't proved a thing in the SEC yet and all of Arkansas wanted Nutt gone. That any of these coaches are better than Miles is pure conjecture and ill-informed conjecture at that.