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re: Is jordan Jefferson?
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:11 pm to TIGERSby10
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:11 pm to TIGERSby10
Im not ignorant. I hate how everyone on here talks up JJ like he has done something. Im not saying JL is any better, however you could say that we averaged far more points a game with Lee, just the defense was bad. Our Qb situation sucks and im just tired of people talking up a guy who doesn't know what a pocket is, takes sacks, and eyes his wr's and makes no reads.
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Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:15 pm to lsusteelers44
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im just tired of people talking up a guy who doesn't know what team he is playing for, forces passes, and eyes his wr's and makes no reads, and throws pick 6's.
Maybe it has to do with our O-line being better last year than this year. Just because the offense as a whole is doing better doesnt mean JL was a better QB than JJ. You cant blame the all of the offensive woes on JJ. Shitty playcalling, injuries, terrible O-line have a lot to do with it.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:15 pm to lsusteelers44
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Remember Aaron Brooks for the Saints, go check out his numbers. Then look at their record.
Brooks threw a shite ton of INTs.
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Flynn won a championship in his ONLY year starting.
Flynn played on a much better team than JJ's been able to work with. Also played Bama in a down year, Florida in a down year in his only year starting.
I analyze the games plenty, you can thumb through my posts if you care, I went back and did film breakdowns of the last 2-3 games.
JJ isn't perfect, he has a ways to go, but he was just a sophomore and showed plenty of promise.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:17 pm to OBUDan
I just don't think JJ has the capability to make quick decision. You either have it or not and it seems like he doesn't. Takes too many sacks when there was a perfect pocket to step up in to. We also probably broke the record for most 3 and outs. Whatever i had to vent a little bit...its baseball season now 
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:19 pm to lsusteelers44
Why can we not use his individual stats in this arguement. Using whole offensive stats is the only arguement you JJ haters have. He didnt have terrible numbers and they were better than JL's last year, we just had offensive troubles this year that were not their last year and it wasnt all JJ's fault
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:20 pm to lsusteelers44
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We also probably broke the record for most 3 and outs
Playcalling is a bitch
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JJ has the capability to make quick decision.
Maybe, but he is the best we have
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:20 pm to OBUDan
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JJ isn't perfect, he has a ways to go, but he was just a sophomore and showed plenty of promise.
and had very little game experience prior to the start of last year
I expect to see as much improvement this year as last, and for those of you idiots that don't think he improved as the year went on, please don't comment because you obviously don't know shite about football.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:23 pm to More beer please
Sure..but you could blame JJ as apart of them. His numbers were better because he held on to the ball too much. He'd have open receivers and second guess throwing to them...which is why we were going 3 and out. Sometimes he even get happy foot after his first or second read wasn't open...despite the other WRs being open. Even when pressure wasn't in his face.
Plus, the drive killers he'd give in dropping 20 steps back. If Alem played against LSU, he would have about 20 sacks in the game since he likes to run past the QB about 10 yards. I mean hell, JJ didn't help his line out any when DEs had a straight line to him...I'm not even sure a Pro Bowl tackle could stop that unless they hold.
I would say hes slightly better than JL at this point but he does have a lot of upside. He really needs to work on his mechanics and touch. The playbook seems cut in half because he can't make some throws like in the flat...
Plus, the drive killers he'd give in dropping 20 steps back. If Alem played against LSU, he would have about 20 sacks in the game since he likes to run past the QB about 10 yards. I mean hell, JJ didn't help his line out any when DEs had a straight line to him...I'm not even sure a Pro Bowl tackle could stop that unless they hold.
I would say hes slightly better than JL at this point but he does have a lot of upside. He really needs to work on his mechanics and touch. The playbook seems cut in half because he can't make some throws like in the flat...
This post was edited on 2/19/10 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:24 pm to lsusteelers44
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We also probably broke the record for most 3 and outs.
That's a product of zero run game. When we won the NC in 07 our running game was 2x as productive (I'm not exaggerating).
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I just don't think JJ has the capability to make quick decision. You either have it or not and it seems like he doesn't.
He's just young imo. I guess we'll see. He made good decisions at times in games this year. He certainly needs to work on stepping up in the pocket and using his eyes to look people off and stuff like that but he's young and has time to improve.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:24 pm to More beer please
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Why can we not use his individual stats in this arguement.
Because he was not effective as a QB from within the overall offensive perspective. He really stunk it up in so many facits of the game.
I don't say that with pride in any way and I damn sure don't hate the kid either, but it is the truth (according to me).
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:33 pm to Dallasgrowl
If JJ works on his release and accuracy...LSU can call more quick pass plays...like slip screens or a quick pass out of the flat to the RB. It would slow a pass rush down significantly mixing those up in a drive. LSU seemed to abandoned plays like that because JJ's accuracy was killing them. Hell, the screens they'd throw to Lafell...he'd basically have to come back to the ball and catch it low...which threw the entire play out of sync.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:33 pm to Dallasgrowl
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but it is the truth (according to me).
Isn't that an opinion, which is not necessarily the truth.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:35 pm to More beer please
theres so much :beatdeadhorse: in this thread it's ridiculous
the formula of (JJ or JL), crowton, miles, and a chavis defense which isnt agressive does not equal consistent winning, plain and simple.
changes will have to be made, because i (and i dont think im alone in this) cant see a team with this leadership at qb/oc winning. flynn was a redshirt senior with all of the experience and confidence in a new system. give him credit for that.
there's more to blame than just the qb or just the oc
... now let's go baseball title defense
the formula of (JJ or JL), crowton, miles, and a chavis defense which isnt agressive does not equal consistent winning, plain and simple.
changes will have to be made, because i (and i dont think im alone in this) cant see a team with this leadership at qb/oc winning. flynn was a redshirt senior with all of the experience and confidence in a new system. give him credit for that.
there's more to blame than just the qb or just the oc
... now let's go baseball title defense
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:37 pm to TIGERSby10
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Isn't that an opinion, which is not necessarily the truth.
Yes, you are absolutely right. I stand corrected. It was a bit tongue in cheek and inserted for that reason.
Now, let's take all of the opinions out of this site and we may have one thread with a couple of posts in it.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:43 pm to Dallasgrowl
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He really stunk it up in so many facits of the game.
Like?
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:44 pm to lsusteelers44
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I just don't think JJ has the capability to make quick decision. You either have it or not and it seems like he doesn't.
Maybe not, but the ability to make quick decisions in anything (football, school work, life, etc.) improves with experience.
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Takes too many sacks when there was a perfect pocket to step up in to.
This is a legit concern. But he did have a weak OL.
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We also probably broke the record for most 3 and outs.
This can't all be the QB's fault. The enire offense was horrid and that includes OL play and play calling. RB's get a pass b/c they've proven themselves in the past.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 12:50 pm to OBUDan
- Accuracy at any throw length
- Decisiveness with or without pressure
- The option
- Check downs
- Pure leadership
Basically all of the attributes that make a QB good at his job.
Again, I don't say any of this with pride, but he was not effective at all if the offense he lead was that terrible.
- Took out that bullshite statement at the end. It wasn't a cool thing to say.
- Decisiveness with or without pressure
- The option
- Check downs
- Pure leadership
Basically all of the attributes that make a QB good at his job.
Again, I don't say any of this with pride, but he was not effective at all if the offense he lead was that terrible.
- Took out that bullshite statement at the end. It wasn't a cool thing to say.
This post was edited on 2/19/10 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 2/19/10 at 1:11 pm to Dallasgrowl
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Accuracy at any throw length
62% says otherwise.
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Decisiveness with or without pressure
Can't argue with that.
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The option
He shouldn't have to run it.
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Check downs
Can't argue that.
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Pure leadership
I don't know how you can make any sort of determination about this without having spent time with him in the locker room or on a daily basis with his teammates.
Posted on 2/19/10 at 1:22 pm to OBUDan
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I don't know how you can make any sort of determination about this without having spent time with him in the locker room or on a daily basis with his teammates.
That is so true. We are all on the outside looking in and don't really have a clue as to how the young man carries himself. I am taking the results I see on the field and the overall effectiveness of the squad and working backwards with most of my opinions.
Those that support the other side of the coin are working forward from a particular statistic and doing the same.
I don't really know how the young man will progress, but I, like I am sure most of you, am looking for him to grow as a QB and hopefully drive the offense to better results.
I just think he has quite a few areas to overcome before we can expect to see him as a top tier QB. At least I think that is what this thread was about...
Posted on 2/19/10 at 1:26 pm to More beer please
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Dumb to even consider him a top qb
Your biased opinion aside, look at the numbers
+1, JJ was the least of our concerns
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