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re: Is Coach O going to "Make LSU Football Great Again!"?

Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:51 pm to
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:51 pm to
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The Alabama loss and definitely the Florida loss were very Miles-esque, so I don't get your point


Yeah, I forgot that Miles had a TE's coach running his offense every year and against Florida and always had at least 423 yards total offense to UF's 270. LSU had 23 first downs to UF's 14. LSU had the ball 34 minutes to UF's 26. Yep, good ole Miles with his explosive offense.

Posted by SeekGreatness
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:53 pm to
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Yeah, I forgot that Miles had a TE's coach running his offense every year and against Florida and always had at least 423 yards total offense to UF's 270. LSU had 23 first downs to UF's 14. LSU had the ball 34 minutes to UF's 26. Yep, good ole Miles with his explosive offense.


You conveniently forgot the "10 points" part. And the "L." Yeah that was a really explosive field goal and single TD in 4 quarters against a depleted second-string UF defense.

At home.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 7:59 pm
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:54 pm to
There is not one single thing you or I have said that speaks to it being "glaringly" obvious that O is a better coach than Les. Is he better? Maybe. But there's absolutely nothing for you to go off of other than him going 6-2 with Les' team, and your emotions.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:00 pm to
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You conveniently forgot the "10 points" part. And the "L." Yeah that was a really explosive field goal and single TD in 4 quarters against a second-string UF defense.



I didn't forget but you obviously forgot the two LSU turnovers and player miscue on the final play of the game. When a team has 153 more yards of offense and 9 more first downs and loses it is usually because of turnovers, penalties, special teams, or player miscues.

Posted by SeekGreatness
Member since Nov 2015
3792 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:09 pm to
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I didn't forget but you obviously forgot the two LSU turnovers and player miscue on the final play of the game. When a team has 153 more yards of offense and 9 more first downs and loses it is usually because of turnovers, penalties, special teams, or player miscues.


We finally can agree. And whose job is it to ensure the players stay focused and don't commit dumb penalties and such?
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:10 pm to
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There is not one single thing you or I have said that speaks to it being "glaringly" obvious that O is a better coach than Les. Is he better? Maybe. But there's absolutely nothing for you to go off of other than him going 6-2 with Les' team, and your emotions.



I saw what CEO did with LSU and how different the team looked and played after he took over for Les. That is glaringly obvious and not something made up based on emotions.

I have read where a big-time recruit said he had visited LSU for 3 years and their was a huge difference in the LSU's players attitudes for the better since CEO has taken over - to recruits and media around the team That is glaringly obvious and not something made up based on emotions.

Now, as for opinion, I don't think there is any way Les could have taken over USC in 2013 and improved the team from going 4-7 in its last 11 games under Kiffin to 5-2 in its last 7 games.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30378 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:11 pm to
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We finally can agree. And whose job is it to ensure the players stay focused and don't commit dumb penalties and such?


Tom Herman, obviously.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 8:13 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48011 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:13 pm to
This abortion of a thread is still going?
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:18 pm to
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We finally can agree. And whose job is it to ensure the players stay focused and don't commit dumb penalties and such?


Did you watch the game? The loss was not caused by penalties, it was caused by turnovers and Guice going the wrong way on the last play of the game.

You can't blame the coaches for turnovers. If the RB's were consistently going the wrong way in the UF game and others I would say it was the coaches fault. Since that was the only time I noticed it happening last season and the rest of the team seemed to know the play I would say it was a Guice F-up.

You blame coach O for everything that game and that is your prerogative. I myself would question the running backs coach or offensive coordinator (TE's coach in this case) for the RB going the wrong way and not the head coach.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48011 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:19 pm to
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Bash me all you want but this program is in worse shape NOW than it was when Les took over.


Miles took over a program that had lost less than 3 games just once in the previous 5 years. He took over a program with 2 top 15 finishes in 5 years and 2 10 win seasons in 5 years.
Miles inherited a program where Saban had all but stopped recruiting. So much so that we had 13 recruits that year.

Orgeron is taking over a program that had 4 10 win seasons in the last 5 years.
He is taking over a program that has 3 top 15 finishes in the last 5 years and a season where we finished 16th.
Orgeron is taking over a program with a top 5 recruiting class.

If lsu was so set when Miles took over then why did the greatest coach of our generation lose 3 games in year 5?

There is nothing that paints lsu in a worse situation than what miles inherited.

You always say wins and losses are the only thing that matters.

5 years prior to Miles= 16 losses 12 conf losses

5 years prior to Orgeron =15 losses 12 conf losses

So are you now back tracking on your statement about wins and losses?
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 8:21 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48011 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:23 pm to
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When Miles inherited LSU, it was already stocked up with the talent




If it was so stacked with talent, why did the greatest coach of our generation lose 3 games prior to miles being hired?
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Hence, most naive people were under the false impression that Les Miles was a great football coach. In addition, in the eyes of the young recruits, they wanted to play for the flagship university of Louisiana and the vaunted great head coach Les Miles. So the recruiting remained at a high level mainly because in the eyes of naïve recruits, Les Miles was an excellent head coach, although, we were winning games, nonetheless, despite Les Miles.


Posted by lsu2006
BR
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40081 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:25 pm to
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We finally can agree. And whose job is it to ensure the players stay focused and don't commit dumb penalties and such?

Good coaches don't let their running back leave the huddle for the final play of the game without knowing for GODDAMN sure what the play is and where he's going.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48011 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:26 pm to
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You can't blame the coaches for turnovers


This is one of the dumbest things ever posted.

So if a coach continues to run up the middle into a stacked box and the rb gets hit and fumbles, the coach isnt to blame?

Lack of focus leads to turnovers.
Whose job is it to have the players focused?

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You can't blame the coaches for turnovers. If the RB's were consistently going the wrong way in the UF game and others I would say it was the coaches fault. Since that was the only time I noticed it happening last season and the rest of the team seemed to know the play I would say it was a Guice F-up.

You blame coach O for everything that game and that is your prerogative. I myself would question the running backs coach or offensive coordinator (TE's coach in this case) for the RB going the wrong way and not the head coach.


Using this logic the coach is never at fault. The coach isnt missing blocks.
The coach isnt losing his man on man matchup. The coach wasnt out there poorly executing the plays.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 8:33 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48011 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:28 pm to
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, good ole Miles with his explosive offense.




3 of the 4 most productive offenses in lsu history are miles coached teams. But hey why would you start using facts now?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48011 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:29 pm to
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have read where a big-time recruit said he had visited LSU for 3 years and their was a huge difference in the LSU's players attitudes for the better since CEO has taken over - to recruits and media around the team That is glaringly obvious and not something made up based on emotions.


Link.

I read somewhere that Bill Belichick gets all his game plans from Miles.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216037 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:31 pm to
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Rickdaddy4188


SHUT UP PUNK....


Go away and send your Money to DUKE....



Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:33 pm to
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This abortion of a thread is still going?


Yes it is. Leave it to LSU fans to have a multiple day and page thread with people like you bashing the head coach within the last week of recruiting season. Unbelievable !!!

The same people knocking Coach O will be the loudest idiots bitching when LSU doesn't sign every recruit the idiots think they should.

The LSU coaches have to combat fierce competition, negative recruiting and its own fans to have a decent recruiting class.

If I was a coach vying for the same recruits as LSU I would just tell them to go to LSU's largest free message board and read it for a while. Then decide where they should go to further your playing career.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48011 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:33 pm to
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Good coaches don't let their running back leave the huddle for the final play of the game without knowing for GODDAMN sure what the play is and where he's going.



They also dont let an injured player suit up and play just because of a pre game scrum.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216037 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:37 pm to
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You can't blame the coaches for turnovers



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This is one of the dumbest things ever posted



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So if a coach continues to run up the middle into a stacked box and the rb gets hit and fumbles, the coach isnt to blame?



And THATS what RICKY calls the greatest coach in LSU history did...



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Whose job is it to have the players focused?



That's ALL I needed to hear...
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216037 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:39 pm to
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3 of the 4 most productive offenses in lsu history are miles coached teams. But hey why would you start using facts now?



And NONE of them WON anything that really matters....

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