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re: Is Coach O going to "Make LSU Football Great Again!"?

Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:48 pm to
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:48 pm to
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Bash me all you want but this program is in worse shape NOW than it was when Les took over.... BUT... The last 4-5 years has been disappointing with the SO-CALLED talent we had here.... Now I LIKED what I saw the last 7 games with O at the helm... It was EXCITING... The FLA game still pisses me off but hey, No coach is perfect....

I don't really disagree with any of this.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:48 pm to
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Sorry I can't put O in the Saban category just yet...........


Uh oh. Space Cowboy won't take this well...
Posted by SeekGreatness
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:49 pm to
The question is, how many "Florida game" or "Alabama game" repeats are we going to have in future seasons? Dropping 3 or more like that would be just as unbearable as watching Les' offenses the last few years.
Posted by Space Cowboy
Member since Oct 2016
4079 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:04 pm to
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I think he will do just as good as Miles.


He’s already better than Miles and is already glaringly obvious.

When Miles inherited LSU, it was already stocked up with the talent that would enable LSU to win another National Championship just two years later, courtesy of Nick Saban. So overall, it won most of its games despite Miles, and lost a few games because of Miles, like the Tennessee game in 2005, for instance.

Nonetheless, because all those victories were primarily due to Nick Saban’s recruiting as opposed to Miles’s coaching, but despite that fact and also because most people in Louisiana now hated and despised Nick Saban, the false impression of LSU’s success was assumed to be because of the hiring of Les Miles.

Hence, most naive people were under the false impression that Les Miles was a great football coach. In addition, in the eyes of the young recruits, they wanted to play for the flagship university of Louisiana and the vaunted great head coach Les Miles. So the recruiting remained at a high level mainly because in the eyes of naïve recruits, Les Miles was an excellent head coach, although, we were winning games, nonetheless, despite Les Miles.

Heck, thanks to Les Miles, even though we were clearly the best team in the country in 2007, we had to back our way into the BCS National Championship game thanks to the most unlikely of miracles, and not even Les Miles could stop our team from winning that BCS National Championship.

Anyway, as time went on the patina started to wear off, as Les Miles lost more and more games that we were expected to win and at the same time got caught making more and more stupid and embarrassing coaching decisions. Not to mention, that year after year our offense for the most part was always literally horrible and the team was never disciplined under Miles. Until it finally became apparent to most LSU fans, that Les Miles was a horrible coach and as a result, he ended up finally being fired.

Meanwhile, if we actually had a decent head coach in those 11 years Miles was the head coach, I bet we would have easily won another one or two more National Championships.

Nonetheless, I agree with you, all the players are in place for us to do well, especially if we finish this recruiting class as we are all hoping the way it will end.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216037 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:12 pm to
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The question is, how many "Florida game" or "Alabama game" repeats are we going to have in future seasons?


Hard to tell... But we WILL play 60 mins of football against EVERY team we play..... And games we should win we will and will look good doing it..... Fill the seats with exciting football and they will STAY longer than they have the last 5 years.........
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:14 pm to
You sound like one of those March on Washington nut jobs!

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especially since he isn’t coaching in the SEC


Crap, Texas is next door. Are you for real?

Herman is seen as a hot, up and coming coach. To say otherwise is retarded whether you like O or not.

Take your purple and gold glasses off. Because I think Alleva sucks and I am not at all happy with his retarded search process, it doesn't follow that I want him or O to fail. Take that BS and shove it up your arse.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216037 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:19 pm to
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He’s already better than Miles and is already glaringly obvious.



What... He went 6-2 with Miles players... Did he change the attitude??? SURE... But he is not close to what Miles has done...YET... But he could.....



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Hence, most naive people were under the false impression that Les Miles was a great football coach




Not defending Les but he was pretty good while he was here... Could he have done better??? SURE.... But he is gone and the comparisons should stop.....



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and not even Les Miles could stop our team from winning that BCS National Championship.


This is not really fair... But you can be YOU all you want....
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13052 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:29 pm to
space, I am a Nitwit, but you are earning your own, well deserved name with these ridiculous contentions.
I suspect we'll be reading some of these posts back to you soon, but by then you'll have new user-name.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:40 pm to
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Herman has been successful in everything he has done as a head coach


Sure, if you consider finishing 6th in the AAC and 4th in his division successful. This year I would rate the 5 coaches with less talented teams who finished ahead of him better coaches. I would also have to rate the SMU coach who kicked his arse with very little if any talent better.

So yeah, if being the 6th or 7th best coach in the AAC is being successful to you, he was. Could you imagine what would have happened if he didn't have the most talented in the AAC?
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:49 pm to
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I think he will do just as good as Miles.


With Aranda in his second year coaching defense and the only offensive Broyles award finalist for 2016 now leading the offense, I think Coach O will do much better than Miles has the last few seasons.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40081 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:51 pm to
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He’s already better than Miles and is already glaringly obvious.

Wow. This is next-level dumb. Les unquestionably was a flawed coach and it was obvious from the get-go, but he won a frick ton of games for us. Orgeron took a team Les built and did probably exactly what Les would have done in terms of W-L. Obviously the offensive tweaks were extremely refreshing. But can you explain how it's "glaringly" obvious that Orgeron is better?
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:10 pm to
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to you


Both LSU and Texas wanted the Herman resume. So, those
two schools thought he was a highly successful OC and HC. Also, Myer must have thought so too.

To continue to deny Herman's strong appeal to those seeking a head coach for their programs is ridiculous, but go ahead and show your lack of common sense.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216037 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:11 pm to
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Orgeron took a team Les built and did probably exactly what Les would have done in terms of W-L



Maybe??? This team under Miles had lost its spirit... I doubt the team would have recovered after the Bama loss and the FLA loss under Miles like they did under O............
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40081 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:12 pm to
Yeah I mean obviously there's no way of knowing. O was definitely a shot in the arm
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:16 pm to
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But can you explain how it's "glaringly" obvious that Orgeron is better?


Not to answer for the other guy, but it is obvious you know the answer to this ludicrous question.

You said this in the same post:
quote:

probably exactly what Les would have done in terms of W-L


You had to say "TERMS". So take all the other terms besides W-L's and that is your answer.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40081 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:23 pm to
Wins and losses are kind of important
Posted by SeekGreatness
Member since Nov 2015
3792 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:35 pm to
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You had to say "TERMS". So take all the other terms besides W-L's and that is your answer.


The Alabama loss and definitely the Florida loss were very Miles-esque, so I don't get your point.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:37 pm to
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Both LSU and Texas wanted the Herman resume. So, those
two schools thought he was a highly successful OC and HC. Also, Myer must have thought so too.


Yes, remember Alleva had two separate sets of criteria at different times for the coach LSU was looking to hire. At one time they wanted an offensive minded coach - Jimbo/Herman. At the next release of criteria (after Herman had tanked Houston's season and #6 national ranking) it was obvious the criteria basically spelled out "Coach Oregon".

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To continue to deny Herman's strong appeal to those seeking a head coach for their programs is ridiculous, but go ahead and show your lack of common sense.


Not denying Hermaggedon's appeal. Though, I am questioning the programs who would hire a coach

1) who was successful for one year after inheriting a very good team.

2) A coach who did much worse his second year than he did his first - even though he did lose to UCONN towards the end of the season in his first year.

3) A coach who wound up in 6th place in his conference his second year when he had the most talent among ALL members of said conference.

4) Pay the coach, who had one good year out of two, $5 million to lead their program. Since he had the most talented team and finished in sixth place in the AAC, I don't think Houston got their $1.35 millions worth out of him this year and Texas gives him a $3.65 million per year raise.

I'm glad he is at Texas and not LSU. I didn't see Houston doing better this coming year with him as coach. I think he would have done much worse and the only thing that would have helped him is a few of the coaches who finished ahead of him were also hired by teams with coaching vacancies.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:41 pm to
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Wins and losses are kind of important


Didn't say they weren't. Maybe you should go back and read your question again and then look at my post.

I was only pointing out that you made a statement answering a question and then two sentences later asked the very question you had answered without realizing it.
Posted by SeekGreatness
Member since Nov 2015
3792 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:50 pm to
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And games we should win we will and will look good doing it..... Fill the seats with exciting football and they will STAY longer than they have the last 5 years.........


So you're saying the Florida game wasn't one of the games we should have won, and we looked good (not) winning it?
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