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re: Is Coach O going to "Make LSU Football Great Again!"?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:40 pm to semjase
Posted on 1/25/17 at 2:40 pm to semjase
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We all thought that O and Ensminger had exorcised that demon possessed Les Offense, but it mysteriously returned for the Alabama game.
There was no way they could exorcised Les Miles' piss poor offense until after the season was concluded. After all they didn't take over until a quarter of the season had already been played. They tweaked it, which is why it became fun for the first time in many years to watch the offense. Now next season we will have a brand new shiny offense with that new offense smell. I can't wait.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 2:43 pm
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 3:03 pm to lsu2006
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Based on....?
Your stupid post.
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You've hastily jumped to a lot of conclusions here. I really hope you're right.
I didn't jump to any conclusions, I just cited his record and his record speaks for itself. He wasn't all bad at Ole Miss like you guys are trying to make it seem, although he readily admits to a lot of stupid mistakes he realizes he made and today laughs off those dumb mistake, he nevertheless recruited well, and if he would have been allowed stay at Ole Miss, and I read where Hugh Freeze said this too, that he would have turned out to be a pretty good coach, because he obviously learns quickly from his stupid mistakes. Not to mention, that he took over an Ole Miss team that barely had any SEC quality recruits on it when he arrived. However, when he left, the Ole Miss team had been restocked up with plenty of good quality SEC talent. Even Hugh Freeze admits this.
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So you cite ONE example of a coach with a kind of similar background as Orgeron who has had success to show that i'm the one who's being absurd? Ok.
That's all it takes moonbat! Get a brain! Not to mention he didn't defeat any team, he beat Alabama. Moreover, you said cite ONE example so I did. Yet...you insinuated that was impossible. Do me a favor, go fly a kite.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 3:15 pm to Space Cowboy
Space, you seem awfully dismissive of some valid points.
I, too , think the Orgeron hire was a mistake and is based mostly on the hope that past experience is not an indication of future performance. As you say, one hopes Da Caoch O learns from "past stupid mistakes", but O has had more of an opportunity for such learning than most successful coaches.
I hope he proves me wrong and that this time "hope" wins.
I, too , think the Orgeron hire was a mistake and is based mostly on the hope that past experience is not an indication of future performance. As you say, one hopes Da Caoch O learns from "past stupid mistakes", but O has had more of an opportunity for such learning than most successful coaches.
I hope he proves me wrong and that this time "hope" wins.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 3:19 pm to lsu2006
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So you cite ONE example of a coach with a kind of similar background as Orgeron who has had success to show that i'm the one who's being absurd?
For what it's worth, Gene Stallings had one winning record(7-4) in 11 years, before he went to ALA and won national title. Is that what you mean by background?
It's really not similar bc O had two years as interim that were winning seasons. But, it illustrates the point that time and place may equal success.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 3:22 pm to nitwit
Some of you are acting like O can't be better this time around than he was at OM. Like he hasn't learned anything or progressed as a coach.
If you look at his situation this time around at LSU, the team is stacked and he's got great coordinators in place...usually a recipe for success.
I guess none of you dumbasses ever made an "F" on a test in school and then later in the semester, made an "A." You know, like learned from your experiences. It is possible.
Y'all wanna hedge your bets by saying "I told you so!" Ol Miss was a long time ago for CEO and I refuse to believe he's still that guy that shite the bed there for 3 years.
He wasn't my first choice either, but until he screws it up against BYU in the opener next year and shits the bed at home against Chattanooga, I'm will to see if he's changed or not.
If you look at his situation this time around at LSU, the team is stacked and he's got great coordinators in place...usually a recipe for success.
I guess none of you dumbasses ever made an "F" on a test in school and then later in the semester, made an "A." You know, like learned from your experiences. It is possible.
Y'all wanna hedge your bets by saying "I told you so!" Ol Miss was a long time ago for CEO and I refuse to believe he's still that guy that shite the bed there for 3 years.
He wasn't my first choice either, but until he screws it up against BYU in the opener next year and shits the bed at home against Chattanooga, I'm will to see if he's changed or not.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 3:30 pm to lsu2006
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I don't hate it. It's just an exceedingly weak argument.
Weak argument? The only reason it is weak to you is because you are the lunatic dumb enough to try to make that lame arse argument. If you want to know what is weak, go look in the damn freaking mirror.
You also tried to present coach O as being a complete and utter failure by over exaggerating his tenure at Ole Miss way out of proportion from reality and trying to also insinuate that it is somehow the only criteria that matters, even though he has never repeated those same damn mistakes at either USC or LSU. While O is completely honest and readily admits that he made mistakes at Ole Miss that he laughs off today as stupid rookie mistakes. He also wasn't all bad either, as he ended up rebuilding the Ole Miss program for his predecessors, but nonetheless most of his losses was due to the poor quality of the players he inherited when he took over the program.
Yet, you demonize him as the worst coach ever in the history of college football, when a ton of successful head coaches also failed in their first try at becoming a head coach. Most people struggle at their jobs until they learn from the school of hard knocks, i.e., experience, how do do their jobs. One of the most famous is Bill Bilichick, who miserably failed at Cleveland, and then became one of the most successful head coaches of all time at New England.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:02 pm to nitwit
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Space, you seem awfully dismissive of some valid points.
No wonder you are a nitwit. There weren’t any valid points. Give me a break.
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I, too , think the Orgeron hire was a mistake and is based mostly on the hope that past experience is not an indication of future performance. As you say, one hopes Da Caoch O learns from "past stupid mistakes", but O has had more of an opportunity for such learning than most successful coaches.
I hope he proves me wrong and that this time "hope" wins.
Nobody is hoping! He has proven at LSU and before at USC that he doesn’t repeat stupid idiotic rookie mistakes, and that’s not hoping, that’s in fact tangible. He also readily admits to making stupid rookie mistakes and today laughs them off, because he is honest and human.
Moreover, most of his losses at Ole Miss were due the fact that when he inherited the Ole Miss program it was almost totally devoid of SEC quality football players. However, by the time he left, he had fully restocked the Ole Miss program with SEC quality players, as Hugh Freeze readily admits. Not to mention that Hugh Freeze also claims that had coach O been allowed to remain at Ole Miss, he would have turned out to be a pretty-good coach.
In addition, a ton of coaches coaching successfully today, like coach O also failed their first attempt at being a head coach. As generally, it takes most people a while as they gain experience to become competent at their jobs. Were you a pro at your job the first day you were hired and reported to work, or are you infinitely far better at your job today after learning from your own stupid mistakes? Coach O is human, he learns from experience just like everyone else.
Not to mention, that Bill Belichick failed miserably at Cleveland his first time out as a head coach, but nonetheless today is one of the most successful head coaches ever in the history of the NFL.
Your problem is you couldn’t recognize a valid point even if it stared you in the face, winked at you, and then spit in your eye.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:20 pm to Space Cowboy
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Weak argument? The only reason it is weak to you is because you are the lunatic dumb enough to try to make that lame arse argument. If you want to know what is weak, go look in the damn freaking mirror.
Jesus, man. What is your problem? Do you actually have any argument to refute what I've said? It's a weak argument because it takes what is clearly an outlier to try and illegitimize anyone that is apprehensive about Orgeron.
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You also tried to present coach O as being a complete and utter failure by over exaggerating his tenure at Ole Miss way out of proportion from reality
Explain. He won 10 total games in 3 years. Is that somehow not horrible?
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also insinuate that it is somehow the only criteria that matters
I've never once insinutated this. But it is his only stint as a permanent coach leading a program. It's a large part of what we have to go off of. I'm sorry if that offends you or something.
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Yet, you demonize him as the worst coach ever in the history of college football
Again wrong. Please direct me to a post where I've "demonized him as the worst coach every in the history of college football". It's pretty clear at this point you have no argument so you've resorted to strawmen. Sad, really.
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One of the most famous is Bill Bilichick, who miserably failed at Cleveland, and then became one of the most successful head coaches of all time at New England.
Sweet. Another outlier. You're good with those. Also, a miserable failure? He brought the goddamn Browns to the playoffs and won a game. That's tantamount to a miracle.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:22 pm to Space Cowboy
You need to calm.... the main problem is that EVERY fan base wants a Saban type hire......
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:26 pm to beauxroux
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For what it's worth, Gene Stallings had one winning record(7-4) in 11 years, before he went to ALA and won national title. Is that what you mean by background?
It's really not similar bc O had two years as interim that were winning seasons. But, it illustrates the point that time and place may equal success.
Absolutely. There are several examples of interims becoming head coaches and having success. But that isn't proof positive that O is obviously going to have great success. That's literally all I'm saying. People are throwing out Dabo and others like it's some kind of "gotcha" and I'm a dumbass for not seeing the obvious.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 4:59 pm to lsu2006
I think he will do just as good as Miles.... all the pieces are in place for him to do well..... LSU is losing a lot of talent but has some great talent we haven't even seen yet.....
Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:15 pm to dukke v
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I think he will do just as good as Miles
Which part of the Miles era?
But I agree generally that we'll be fine at least the next couple years with this staff and assuming O's recruiting keeps up.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:17 pm to LSU Groupee
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Herman has been successful in everything he has done as a head coach or OC. It's crazy to even try to debate that fact. O...not so much when he really had full control of a program he was totally responsible for all aspects.
Well that’s an invalid point. Especially because most of the Herman homers argued ad nauseam that it was Herman and Herman alone that beat Bama. Coach Urban Meyer, who is known as an offensive genius for years, had nothing to do with it whatsoever.
Then you geniuses pointed to Herman’s record at Houston his first year of being the head coach to say what a great head coach he was, even though he was coaching another coach’s players. Then you Herman geniuses were also still pointing to what a great coach he is, even though he lost several games to weaker teams that he should have easily beaten last year in the 2016 season.
Heck, as you are doing above, you Herman homers were all claiming that he was somehow a superior proven head coach. No question about it, as you say, “Herman has been successful in everything he has done as a head coach or OC.” In fact, you loons were all claiming that Herman was far more superior of a head coach with a little over a year’s experience than even Jimbo Fischer.
The truth, however, is he is not proven at all, he may turn out to be a turd, or he may turn out to be good head coach, but at this point no one knows, not even Herman himself knows the answer to that question, and he also says the reason that he chose the Texas job over the LSU job is because the LSU job in the SEC West and was too big of a bite for him to take at this early point and time in his career. Even he understood he wasn’t ready for such a major jump yet. Yet, according to you Herman homers, to even question his superiority as a head coach and OC is madness.
Meanwhile, when coach O took over the Ole Miss program, the team was almost totally devoid of SEC quality football players. So he had to rebuild the program from the ground floor up, and Herman, on the other hand, inherited a team already fully stocked. He did pretty well his first year coaching that other coaches players, but in his second year he lost several games to weaker teams he should have beaten easily. Yet, anyone who questions Herman’s ability is out of his mind.
While coach O readily admits that he made stupid mistakes, at the same time his tenure at Ole Miss wasn’t all-bad, as when he left the team after four years, the program had been fully restocked with SEC quality football players, as Hugh Freeze readily admits. In fact, Freeze also says that if coach O had been allowed to remain at Ole Miss that he believes that coach O would have even turned out to be a pretty-good head coach.
Hence, the comparisons between coach O and Herman is completely invalid because O was at Ole Miss for four years and Herman at Houston for not even two full years. In addition, the state of each football program at the time they were inherited by the respective head coaches wasn’t remotely anywhere near comparable. Not to mention, that you can’t compare teams in the Big East Conference to teams in the SEC conference. That’s utterly ludicrous.
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Look, I hope O is crazy successful, but this idea LSU got the better coach between O and Herman has no basis in football reality....at this time.
Don’t lie, no you don’t! In addition, the notion that Herman is a totally proven head coach better than coach O is utterly absurd. Herman wasn’t responsible for beating Bama, Urban Meyers was, Herman didn’t build the Houston team he was coaching, he inherited it, and he also lost several games with superior talent to teams he should have defeated easily. Yet, we are supposed to believe a mentally handicapped loon like you. Yeah right, give me a break.
Not to mention that Herman himself also knew that taking the LSU job was too much of a jump for him to make at this time in his early career. He didn’t come here because coach O got the job. Instead, he took the Texas job because he was scared of the LSU job probably because he was wise enough to realize that he wasn’t ready for it yet.
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Herman may be a flop and I hope he is for LSU football, but the resources and talent he will have available to him at Texas is night to day different from what he had a Houston.
I don’t, I hope he turns out to be very successful, especially since he isn’t coaching in the SEC and also because I never wish ill on other people. However, what I can’t figure out is why you are saying, “Herman may be a flop and I hope he is?” As according to you, anyone who even questions his superiority or debates that fact is crazy. Well, I guess that means you are crazy then.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:22 pm to nitwit
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Hyperbole much?
Well, it's like this you nitwit, you might consider it hyperbole, but you are a freaking mentally handicapped nitwit.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:26 pm to dukke v
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You need to calm.... the main problem is that EVERY fan base wants a Saban type hire..
How do you know it isn't a Saban type hire?
Furthermore, if people attack me by insinuating I'm a lunatic, then I's going to attack them as if they are lunatics too, because they are.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:29 pm to lsu2006
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People are throwing out Dabo and others like it's some kind of "gotcha" and I'm a dumbass for not seeing the obvious.
It is a got you, as you insinuated it was impossible. Not to mention, you are a dumb arse.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:31 pm to Space Cowboy
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you insinuated it was impossible.
Sure didn't. I'd love for you to quote me where I did, though.
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Not to mention, you are a dumb arse.
Lol ok. You're making an arse out of yourself in this thread. I hope it continues, honestly. I'm entertained.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:44 pm to lsu2006
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Which part of the Miles era?
Well that is a trick question...
Bash me all you want but this program is in worse shape NOW than it was when Les took over.... BUT... The last 4-5 years has been disappointing with the SO-CALLED talent we had here.... Now I LIKED what I saw the last 7 games with O at the helm... It was EXCITING... The FLA game still pisses me off but hey, No coach is perfect....
Posted on 1/25/17 at 5:47 pm to Space Cowboy
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How do you know it isn't a Saban type hire?
It could be.... That would be great.... You are missing my point... LSU fans are spoiled and want the same seasons Bama is having... Sorry I can't put O in the Saban category just yet...........
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