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re: If the DC coordinators don't fix the scheme:

Posted on 10/17/08 at 1:27 am to
Posted by Kellydown
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 1:27 am to
Win or lose if we give up a ton of yardage/points something must be done (heads must roll).
Posted by Soft_Parade
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 5:24 am to
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Win or lose if we give up a ton of yardage/points something must be done (heads must roll)


You accidently inserted an 'if'. It is clear that the D is not well coached. They had the spring, fall and 5 games to reverse the trend, but the line is still sloped downward.

How often do you see a well coached team (defense for this example) produce average to below avg results over the course of a 5 game period? Never. You may have the occasional brain fart, but to string together 5 games (not counting the numerous practices in the spring and summer) in a row where the same breakdowns occur, it is not the players.
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Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 9:45 am to
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How often do you see a well coached team (defense for this example) produce average to below avg results over the course of a 5 game period? Never. You may have the occasional brain fart, but to string together 5 games (not counting the numerous practices in the spring and summer) in a row where the same breakdowns occur, it is not the players.

I dare say that most all of us are in agreement with you on this. The problem is that the one person who can do something to fix it, Coach Miles, apparently feels that the trouble is with the execution and not with the scheme. I don't see how he can be so blind as to not realize it.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 9:52 am to
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would you lose faith in the coaching staff?


I would lose faith in them if they tried to implement a new scheme between games in mid season...

I'm more interested in the simplifying personnel packages to cut down on the confusion and late playcalling.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 10:00 am to
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The problem is that the one person who can do something to fix it, Coach Miles, apparently feels that the trouble is with the execution and not with the scheme.


I don't totally disagree, but perhaps they look at the film and there are simple mistakes being made that cause the big plays. This isn't a bad defense, just one that has a few flaws that make it exploitable. In addition, the risk of trying to change too much at this point is greater than continuing to improve this D...unless you're willing to go through what Auburn is going through and lose most of the remaining games.

Posted by footballislife
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 10:03 am to
I agree that you can't change the whole scheme, but this business of having our guys, especially the defensive line, try to think too much is going to have to go. Quit trying to hold gaps and play read and react football. You are sitting back on your heals getting burned. Let our guys play aggresive football.

I think we can squeak this one out because of SC having such a young qb who can't audible and check down, etc, but UG and Bama are going to kill us if the scheme does not at least get simplified and turned more aggressive.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 10:23 am to
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I think we can squeak this one out because of SC having such a young qb who can't audible and check down, etc, but UG and Bama are going to kill us if the scheme does not at least get simplified and turned more aggressive.

We have to pressure Garcia though. Even though he is relatively inexperienced, he will pick us apart if we give him enough time. We don't need to blitz on every play, but the DL has to get the push needed to force him into some bad throws and hurried decisions. Another thing that concerns me is the potential mismatch of McCray covering their best WR McKinley. You know that Spurrier will exploit the hell of out that if given the chance.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 10:26 am to
If McCray is on McKinnley. Peveto and Mallory should not be allowed to board the plan back to BR.

A McCray on Harvin was downright stupid and we have seen how that turned out
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 10:32 am to
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A McCray on Harvin was downright stupid and we have seen how that turned out

I agree...and that's what worries me, because they put him out there anyway. I really don't fault the kid. It's the coaches...they should know better.
Posted by ATLTiger
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 10:35 am to
Phelon time! (I figure if I say it enough, it'll happen)
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 10:36 am to
I know FL on several occasions put Harvin on McCray because of the obvious mismatch, but Peveto and Mallory should know better and put someone else in his spot
Posted by Teacher
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 10:58 am to
Hawkins CB says they are confused.
Posted by LeagueCityTiger
Atascocita, TX
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 11:03 am to
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This isn't a bad defense, just one that has a few flaws that make it exploitable.


Well, not to be a prick, but that is the definition of a bad defense. When they don't play sound defense, they get burnt ESPECIALLY when the other teams has the athletically ability to match yours.

The more times it happens, the worse the defense is. Against Florida it happened a lot.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 11:11 am to
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Hawkins CB says they are confused.

And whose fault is that? The coaches.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 11:27 am to
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Hawkins CB says they are confused.

........

And whose fault is that? The coaches.


not sure it was the coaches fault when Hawkins was confused by the out-and-up route he got roasted on.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15675 posts
Posted on 10/17/08 at 11:39 am to
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not sure it was the coaches fault when Hawkins was confused by the out-and-up route he got roasted on.

True....maybe not. But it is the fault of the coaches when our guys are frantically waving their arms and looking to the sidelines for the play call. Why does it take so freaking long to get a play in? Any team that runs a no-huddle offense would eat our defense alive.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 10/17/08 at 11:44 am to
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True....maybe not. But it is the fault of the coaches when our guys are frantically waving their arms and looking to the sidelines for the play call. Why does it take so freaking long to get a play in?


that is ultimately the problem, and also why the spread is an effective offense right now. My preference would be to find a set of personnel to leave in the game the majority of the time and adjust only on down and distance. The key is finding the right mix of guys who can play the run and the pass. Also may have to go to a set with 3 corners against teams that constantly have 3-4 guys out wide.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 10/18/08 at 9:47 am to
over/under: how many times the defense looks lost, looking to the sidelines, while the coaches are jumping up and down screaming the play in?
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