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re: If JR comes back in 2007 and we win the Title
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:34 am to tubucoco
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:34 am to tubucoco
Saban's "me first" attitude would have been a fiasco in the Katrina aftermath. Miles has never gotten the credit he truly deserves for guiding the team through that season.
Now, had Saban stayed and LSU gone 12-0, we would have been "Auburned" anyway for the way he mailed in the 2004 season and the fact that Southern Cal and Texas were 1-2 all season anyway.
Now, had Saban stayed and LSU gone 12-0, we would have been "Auburned" anyway for the way he mailed in the 2004 season and the fact that Southern Cal and Texas were 1-2 all season anyway.
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Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:39 am to tubucoco
How can you soley blame one person for a loss? Both losses in 07 LSU could have put those games away with defense. They had chances in the 4th quarter and 2 OTs to stop them and end the game. Just like the 05 Tenn game, neither QB is soley to blame for those losses. I feel like JR fans are jealous of MF because he is the one with the rung.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:40 am to I-59 Tiger
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Miles has never gotten the credit he truly deserves for guiding the team through that season.
+100000000000000
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Now, had Saban stayed and LSU gone 12-0, we would have been "Auburned" anyway for the way he mailed in the 2004 season and the fact that Southern Cal and Texas were 1-2 all season anyway.
I always wondered how that would have played out. It would have been VERY interesting, but I think LSU would have gotten in.
With AU, an SEC team, getting left out in 04 and OU of the Big 12 getting waxed by USC, I think the SEC team would have gotten their shot.
Plus, the LSU USC controversy from 2003 would have made that matchup almost impossible to pass up.
I think an undefeated LSU jumps Texas in 05.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:41 am to TigerNlc
quote:I don't follow, elaborate.
How can you blame one person for a loss?
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:44 am to tubucoco
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I don't follow, elaborate.
Blaming MF for the 2 losses
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:44 am to I-59 Tiger
quote:media has a lot of respect for Saban so he def plays for the MNC and not Texas, plus USC had destroyed OU the year before so that would have factored in. but I'm glad Texas got to play because that was truly a classic.
we would have been "Auburned" anyway for the way he mailed in 2004 season
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:45 am to Tiger Voodoo
Here's the deal... Mauck has a ring, J.R didn't get a N.C. at the helm, Fynn did. I thought J.R. was a pretty good QB, with lots of potential...even today in the NFL he still hasn't been "all that he can be". Maybe his day will come.
Funny how we won N.C.s with the likes of Mauck and Flynn. I think its something called "being a winner". Herb Tyler had that quality in him. He wasn't the best...but he won some big games with Heart! (ex. Florida game).
Funny how we won N.C.s with the likes of Mauck and Flynn. I think its something called "being a winner". Herb Tyler had that quality in him. He wasn't the best...but he won some big games with Heart! (ex. Florida game).
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:46 am to TigerNlc
quote:not me, maybe others, I'm just the opposite, Flynn and co put enough up on the board to win those 2 games, it was the defense that sold out.
Blaming MF for the 2 losses
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:46 am to tubucoco
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media has a lot of respect for Saban so he def plays for the MNC and not Texas
Oh,come on. How can you say "definitely" ?
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:51 am to I-59 Tiger
you don't see the way the media kisses Lord Saban's arse, especially espn, he is only exceeded by Meyers and Caroll. so yes he def plays for the MNC, and Miles is put off as an idiot by certain media types, but I have a lot of respect for the man, he is a players coach.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:56 am to tubucoco
I just don't see LSU having jumped Texas that year,period. Also I don't think 2005 is a good year to speculate that that would have been the year a Saban team ran the table when you factor in the hurricanes.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:59 am to aroussel3Tigers
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Funny how we won N.C.s with the likes of Mauck and Flynn. I think its something called "being a winner". Herb Tyler had that quality in him. He wasn't the best...but he won some big games with Heart! (ex. Florida game).
we won most big games inspite of Mauck and Flynn lost 2 games (to bad teams), how many games did JR lose while playing one of the hardest schedules in the history of CFB?
Pitt beating WVU makes Flynn a winner and JR not?
Posted on 7/1/09 at 10:01 am to I-59 Tiger
all of that is speculation I"ll give you that, but one thing is fact to me, I'll take Saban's style of defense anyday over Pelini's, give me a good attackin defense that releases it's athlete's to make plays, not handicap them by having them read stuff and then react.
Saban's defense shuts down Kentucky and Arkansas in '07.
Saban's defense shuts down Kentucky and Arkansas in '07.
This post was edited on 7/1/09 at 10:04 am
Posted on 7/1/09 at 10:02 am to tubucoco
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Saban's defense shuts down Kentucky and Arkansas.
Kentucky handled Saban's D in 2002 and his D (and conservative playcalling) cost us the West against Arkansas
This post was edited on 7/1/09 at 10:03 am
Posted on 7/1/09 at 10:03 am to I-59 Tiger
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I just don't see LSU having jumped Texas that year,period.
You gotta remember the time period 59. UT and Mack Brown were still seen as not being able to win the big ones, and the Big 12 got destroyed by USC the year before after an SEC team was snubbed.
Plus, LSU split the title with USC in 2003, and USC won it in 04. It would be tough to not match up the past two BCS champs if they were both undefeated, especially given the 03 split.
And yes, the Saban vs. Carroll matcup would have been VERY hard for the media to pass up.
Again, I don't think LSU would have been undefeated had Saban stayed either. But if they were, I do think LSU would have jumped UT.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 10:04 am to tubucoco
I don't disagree with you at all on any of that. But in terms of the 2005 season,it wouldn't have been pretty with Saban at the helm.Now with Saban 2006 may have been a different story and 2007 may have been smoother sailing with a same ending.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 10:05 am to I-59 Tiger
the 2006 defense was as dominant as every Saban defense except 2003 (and statistically it was close)
Posted on 7/1/09 at 10:07 am to TigerBait1127
quote:I'm not talkin about what happened in 2002, I know Kentucky's QB what's his name doesn't sit in the pocket all day like he did against Pelini's D or McFadden run all over the place from the "wildcat" like he did against them.
Kentucky handled Saban's D in 2002
This post was edited on 7/1/09 at 10:11 am
Posted on 7/1/09 at 10:08 am to Tiger Voodoo
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You gotta remember the time period 59
Uh,I think I do.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 10:10 am to tubucoco
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we won most big games inspite of Mauck and Flynn lost 2 games (to bad teams)
Dude, I'm one of the biggest JR fans on this board. He's the best QB LSU has ever had, but these comments are just silly. Our passing game was great in 03. Clayton, Devery, and Skyler would not have had the years they had without Mauck's great play. He had as many TDs as JR did in 06. And Flynn didn't lose to two bad teams. LSU did. And Flynn did everything he had to to win those games. Both of those losses were on the D.
Defending JR doesn't call for knocking Flynn or Mauck. All 3 were great QBs and are great Tigers.
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Saban's defense shuts down Kentucky and Arkansas in '07.
Um actually, Saban's D got torched by Arky and McFadden in 07 just like LSU's did. Saban actually played them in 07, remember? The only that kept that from being a loss for Saban was cramps by McFadden at the end of the game. Period.
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