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re: If Dinardo would have fired Tepper..
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:24 am to LSUsmartass
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:24 am to LSUsmartass
Dinardo was good at recruiting the 5 star. He was a good talker but as far as building a team and doing quality talent evaluation I don't think he was anywhere close to where you have to be to build a NC team. Lets be real Les and his staff are as good as it gets at talent evaluation and picking the right players. The problem is his coaching philosophy.
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Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:27 am to Choctaw
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Do you think he could've won a championship here? He had started to turn the program around before Tepper came in.
No, its nice and easy for fans to blame an assistant, be it the DC or the OC, but there were other problems with those teams, by 1999 at one point they were down to I want to say under 70 scholarship players. A lot of guys Gerry recruited never made it due to grades, something he has said he would have done differently.
Gerry turned recruiting around but did not lock down the state like Saban and Miles (Ed Reed, Reggie Wayne) those are guys Saban and Miles probably get. Gerry did good things here and I've defended him many times, but he is not near the coach Saban or Miles is, at best he wins the SEC and gets to a Sugar Bowl.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:28 am to biglego
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We would probably be good but not elite. Who knows.
I wouldn't call the loser of the Chicken Bowl and 14th in the nation with one of the worst offenses in the country "elite."
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:32 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
Well you know, that's up for debate.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:33 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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I wouldn't call the loser of the Chicken Bowl and 14th in the nation with one of the worst offenses in the country "elite."
Programs are not deemed elite based on 1 recent season. Over the last decade, LSU is one of the top 5 programs, why so many fans want to trash their own team because they are upset with the coach is beyond me.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:35 am to H-Town Tiger
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Programs are not deemed elite based on 1 recent season.
If you say so, Tim.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:36 am to H-Town Tiger
Never personally met any of them, but, I "liked" Dinardo the most of the coaches in my era. ( 40 ) I really wanted him to succeed. He knows he missed a golden opportunity. Read the SI article written after the 2003 ntl title. He "couldn't bring himself to watch" because he admittedly shart the bed.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:44 am to H-Town Tiger
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Gerry turned recruiting around but did not lock down the state
He was recruiting in a different time than Saban and Miles. The perception of the in state talent was LSU was a loser. The great ones wanted to go to miami, FSU, etc because those programs had a history of winning.
Dinardo did help get the ball rolling with in state recruits. He was a great talker. Tepper destroyed him but Saban definitely benefitted from the recruiting foundation Dinardo began.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:53 am to Topwater Trout
K Faulk was obviously the big one, but Dinardo brought in tons of talent.
Josh Reed, Bradie James, Trev Faulk, Rohan, Ryan Clark, Booty, Jarvis Green, Damien James, Fred Booker, Dominick Davis, Labrandon Toefield, Rodney Reed, Dwayne Pierce, Jerel Myers, Reggie Robinson, Howard Green, Jeremy Lawrence, Kenderick Allen, Robert Royal, Donnie Jones, and John Corbello were just a few of the Dinardo recruits that went on to play huge roles in Saban's early success.
Obviously the great 01 class and then the 03 classes were the breakthrough, but like I said earlier, Dinardo would have had a pretty damn good shot at getting a lot of those guys too.
Josh Reed, Bradie James, Trev Faulk, Rohan, Ryan Clark, Booty, Jarvis Green, Damien James, Fred Booker, Dominick Davis, Labrandon Toefield, Rodney Reed, Dwayne Pierce, Jerel Myers, Reggie Robinson, Howard Green, Jeremy Lawrence, Kenderick Allen, Robert Royal, Donnie Jones, and John Corbello were just a few of the Dinardo recruits that went on to play huge roles in Saban's early success.
Obviously the great 01 class and then the 03 classes were the breakthrough, but like I said earlier, Dinardo would have had a pretty damn good shot at getting a lot of those guys too.
This post was edited on 1/11/13 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:00 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Dinardo would have had a pretty damn good shot at getting a lot of those guys too.
I agree.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:05 pm to Choctaw
Dinardo managed to have a 9 and a 10 win season (when there were 11 game regular seasons) before he went full retard on the DC hire and on not firing the DC. Obviously, Miles is much better, but its one of the reasons I don't think he has exactly worked miracles here.
And people give Saban all the credit, but a whole bunch of players on the 2003 NC team were Dinardo recruits that wound up in the NFL.
I think he could have won the SEC if he had fired Tepper. Not sure about NC.
And people give Saban all the credit, but a whole bunch of players on the 2003 NC team were Dinardo recruits that wound up in the NFL.
I think he could have won the SEC if he had fired Tepper. Not sure about NC.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:13 pm to Handsome Harry
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Dinardo was good at recruiting the 5 star. He was a good talker but as far as building a team and doing quality talent evaluation I don't think he was anywhere close to where you have to be to build a NC team.
not so sure about that. Dinardo got his fair share of stars, but he left Saban a good bit of talent outside of those big names as well.
coaching them up/ finding assts that best utilized them was another story.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 1:08 pm to Choctaw
To answer the OP question, no. Even the staff of 1997 managed to lose three games inexplicably, to lesser talent. We were good for an occasional Atlanta run, that was probably the ceiling.
Not enough emphasis on facilities at the time. This was a hallmark of Saban and Emmert. Our recruiting was never going to be at the level Saban brought it to. Guys like Clayton and Spears would have never gone to LSU... Clayton's said as much. The state was never locked down, and for some reason LSU seemed to have trouble recruiting many of the NOLA high schools... one poster previously mentioned Ed Reed, he was signed by a Miami coaching staff that arrived the same year (1995) that DiNardo's did at LSU, with a team on probation. Saban was finally able to overcome that and find more recruiting success there. The large number of players who didn't qualify, as mentioned before, depleted our roster depth noticeably.
Also, people forget the out-of-state blue chip recruits we've signed under Saban and Miles, integral to our success in the 2000s. Louisiana talent, while a huge advantage, wasn't enough by itself to meet all our needs- this was the final missing piece. Addai, Russell, Bowe, Flynn, Patrick Peterson, etc... to my knowledge we never signed a single player of that caliber from out of state during the 1990s.
Not enough emphasis on facilities at the time. This was a hallmark of Saban and Emmert. Our recruiting was never going to be at the level Saban brought it to. Guys like Clayton and Spears would have never gone to LSU... Clayton's said as much. The state was never locked down, and for some reason LSU seemed to have trouble recruiting many of the NOLA high schools... one poster previously mentioned Ed Reed, he was signed by a Miami coaching staff that arrived the same year (1995) that DiNardo's did at LSU, with a team on probation. Saban was finally able to overcome that and find more recruiting success there. The large number of players who didn't qualify, as mentioned before, depleted our roster depth noticeably.
Also, people forget the out-of-state blue chip recruits we've signed under Saban and Miles, integral to our success in the 2000s. Louisiana talent, while a huge advantage, wasn't enough by itself to meet all our needs- this was the final missing piece. Addai, Russell, Bowe, Flynn, Patrick Peterson, etc... to my knowledge we never signed a single player of that caliber from out of state during the 1990s.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 1:27 pm to Doc Fenton
quote:This was the real downfall of Dinardo; Tepper got the blame (and deserved much of it). But under Dinardo the team was already showing signs of unraveling and being undisciplined around the same time Tepper came aboard at LSU. Gerry D was too stubborn to admit Tepper was a disaster... and the rest is history.
he was an absolutely terrible disciplinarian.
But his LSU team did beat Saban's Mich State Spartans in Shreveport (pre-Tepper).
This post was edited on 1/11/13 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 1/11/13 at 1:52 pm to JawjaTigah
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Gerry D was too stubborn to admit Tepper was a disaster.
I'm still trying to figure out what the "drop linebacker" was/did.
I apologize for saying those two words together.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 1:53 pm to AHouseDivided
Didn't tepper state it took 5 years to instill his defense?
Posted on 1/11/13 at 1:57 pm to Topwater Trout
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Didn't tepper state it took 5 years to instill his defense?
I seem to remember this as well. How fricking stupid is that.
Complete Linebacking
Posted on 1/11/13 at 2:19 pm to AHouseDivided
We should be thankful I guess
I know one thing if someone had told me LSU would win 2 national over the next 10 years back then I would have told them to quit smoking crack.
I know one thing if someone had told me LSU would win 2 national over the next 10 years back then I would have told them to quit smoking crack.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 2:20 pm to AHouseDivided
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I'm still trying to figure out what the "drop linebacker" was/did.
"Dropped" out of sight/out of the play to make a fourth string walk-on quarterback from Idaho look like Johnny Football.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 2:22 pm to Topwater Trout
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Didn't tepper state it took 5 years to instill his defense?
And how long is it taking Les to install his offense? Last time I recall LSU consistently playing decent offense was 2007.
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