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Posted on 10/14/08 at 11:54 am to TheDoc
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It's the product on the field that is extremely alarming.
I agree...that has been my point. THANKS
Posted on 10/14/08 at 11:55 am to rbdallas
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YES! IT DOES...that's what a TREND IS
did the defense get better from the 2001 season? did the offense get better than the 2004 season? different year, different players, injuries, home/away factors, and new coordinators. It's not a trend for gawd's sake.
TREND: a general direction in which something tends to move. dude, we're not going be giving up 50 points again this year. get a grip.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 11:55 am to The Ramp
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and we had a great defense in 2003 and got in the NC game due to some voters
We got in because everyone had the same amount of blemishes. We jumped over about 5 teams to get into the game. But if giving up 350 ypg in your last 12 BCS games is acceptable to you, regardless of winning a championship, then I don't know what to tell you. Our D last year wasn't great. Our O was, and that made up for it.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 11:57 am to rbdallas
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"hopefully" is not something to count on.
u want to fire the entire staff and hire you? how about you let them do their job if you don't have any more good suggestions?
Posted on 10/14/08 at 11:59 am to crazy4lsu
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But if giving up 350 ypg in your last 12 BCS games is acceptable to you, regardless of winning a championship, then I don't know what to tell you.
it is acceptable because i can do nothing about it. as long as we're winning, i don't care. i trust our coaches and not rantheads who pull out stats to fit arguements regardless of the results.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 11:59 am to The Ramp
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did the defense get better from the 2001 season? did the offense get better than the 2004 season? different year, different players, injuries, home/away factors, and new coordinators. It's not a trend for gawd's sake.
what in the hell does 2001 to 2004
have have to do with NOW ?
a trend are continuing facts showing a tendency....
2007 and 2008 are showing the same weaknesses
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u want to fire the entire staff and hire you?
Funny...quit trying to win thru a stupid 3rd grade tactics (twisting of the words).
I never said that, but it would stupid to fail to keep the eyes open. ANY team MUST continuoslly
critique itself..
If you are not moving forward, you are being left behind by others.
This post was edited on 10/14/08 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 10/14/08 at 12:02 pm to rbdallas
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what in the hell does 2001 to 2004
have have to do with NOW ?
what the hell does 2007 have to do with now? absolutely nothing. u do know we have a couple of new starters at pivotal positions this year. Jackson, Steltz, Dorsey, Highsmith, Sanders, and Zenon aren't on this team by the way.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 12:04 pm to The Ramp
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it is acceptable because i can do nothing about it. as long as we're winning, i don't care. i trust our coaches and not rantheads who pull out stats to fit arguements regardless of the results.
That is a terrible argument. These guys get paid to coach football. There is no doubt they see what we are seeing at a much greater level. At the same time, those stats are revealing because we are not doing as well as we thought we were, even when we supposedly had a great D. The 2005 D was great. The 2006 D was great. The 2007 D was bailed out by a great O. And it is not even the results that are the problem. It is how we lost. This might be a temporary symptom, at the same time, people were talking about these problems three games ago. They just need to be fixed because their performance as of late is unacceptable. But considering your nuanced and brilliant argument, as well as your misspelling of the word argument, lead me to believe that you accept low standards for yourself, nullifying any fruitful discussion anyone can have with you.
This post was edited on 10/14/08 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 10/14/08 at 12:06 pm to The Ramp
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what the hell does 2007 have to do with now?
go back to class...which you obviously missed.
It does not sound as if you know what the words statistical analysis mean.
that what a trend is made up of..that's what 2007 has to do with 2008..they are RESULTS in SUCCESSION to each other.
This post was edited on 10/14/08 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 10/14/08 at 12:07 pm to Tigersaint73
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i am worried about the direction of LSU Football
After reading about the defensive decline dating back to last season and how we are near the bottom of the SEC in every defensive category, I am very worried. Especially when Les Miles defends his co-d coordinators.
I agree. All good teams have very sound defenses and ours is not. Add to that our offense is also somewhat inept, although overall much better than the defense. If we continue to put below average defenses on the field we will begin losing regularly and sooner than later.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 12:08 pm to crazy4lsu
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But considering your nuanced and brilliant argument, as well as your misspelling of the word argument, lead me to believe that you accept low standards for yourself, nullifying any fruitful discussion anyone can have with you
wow..personal attacks all stemming from my inability to care to use spellcheck on a message board.
i don't capitalize either...i bet i sell drugs to high school kids
i want them to fix the defensive problems. jumping off cliffs like lemmings won't fix it. u have to trust the coaches and evaluate them at the end of the season.
*punches nun in gut*
Posted on 10/14/08 at 12:11 pm to rbdallas
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that what a trend is made up of..that's what 2007 has to do with 2008..they are RESULTS in SUCCESSION to each other.
two personal attacks in a row...i must be hitting some nerves.
i disagree. if 2007 had the same personnel, home/away game scenario, coaches, injuries,...then i would agree. but i don't so u can call me names but it won't mean anything to me.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 12:15 pm to The Ramp
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jumping off cliffs like lemmings won't fix it. u have to trust the coaches and evaluate them at the end of the season.
I agree with you..but that does not mean that one needs to stay BLIND until the end of the season.
maybe, just maybe...the fact that we are discussing these things here, will alert someone of the urgency.
The 2 are both valid points. I actually have many views, all of which can co-exist.
1) there is a trend that needs fixing
2) I trust our coaches and put the responsibility on the coaches to fix the problem
3) It is not time to panic or even worry yet, but...that does not mean that "questions" can not be raised.
4)Full evaluation should be based on "performance" and not solely on "results"...
poor performance, will eventually catch up with you.
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i disagree. if 2007 had the same personnel, home/away game scenario, coaches, injuries,...then i would agree. but i don't so u can call me names but it won't mean anything to me.
you are entitled to disagree,
but all you have given are reasons/excuses....
which while they make account some for "results", they do not account for "work ethics".
This post was edited on 10/14/08 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 10/14/08 at 12:17 pm to rbdallas
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) there is a trend that needs fixing
2) I trust our coaches and put the responsibility on the coaches to fix the problem
3) It is not time to panic or even worry yet, but...that does not mean that "questions" can not be raised.
4)Full evaluation should be based on "performance" and not solely on "results"...
poor performance, will eventually catch up with you.
sounds like we agree other than our definition of "trend"
Posted on 10/14/08 at 12:19 pm to The Ramp
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sounds like we agree other than our definition of "trend"
I will sell you mine...cheap.
forgot to toast
This post was edited on 10/14/08 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 10/14/08 at 12:55 pm to rbdallas
This is a simple discussion:
If you believe the Tigers are talented, healthy, and well coached than you must say that - Miles had 2 weeks to prepare a team and he failed.
If they lost by 7 points or less, you could perhaps say homefield advantage and young QB.
But, we all knew they would line up 8 men in the box and blitz all night. We weren't prepared.
We all knew that Harvin would be in the slot, yet McRay and Beckwith are covering them without significant/obvious Safety presence over the top.
We all knew that they had 3 little speedsters whom they would try to get the ball. Yet we didn't seem to have our speed personell in the game when needed.
It was 2 weeks to prepare for this and Miles blew it.
If you believe the Tigers are talented, healthy, and well coached than you must say that - Miles had 2 weeks to prepare a team and he failed.
If they lost by 7 points or less, you could perhaps say homefield advantage and young QB.
But, we all knew they would line up 8 men in the box and blitz all night. We weren't prepared.
We all knew that Harvin would be in the slot, yet McRay and Beckwith are covering them without significant/obvious Safety presence over the top.
We all knew that they had 3 little speedsters whom they would try to get the ball. Yet we didn't seem to have our speed personell in the game when needed.
It was 2 weeks to prepare for this and Miles blew it.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 12:58 pm to Big Ragoo
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"Did we get the pass rush we wanted? No, but I don’t think we really needed it."
Not sure Les really believes this statement !!
Posted on 10/14/08 at 1:04 pm to Tigersaint73
Even as bad as LSU played saturday night, I believe Miles deserves at least one mulligan before raising holy hell about the program and its' direction. I predict LSU will look a lot better against USC this weekend, and hopefully quell the boobirds. KC.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 1:17 pm to KCMOTiger
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Not sure Les really believes this statement !!
If he does, Look out. It's going to get ugly. I really was disappointed with his comments. I hope it was a smokescreen.
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