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re: How would YOU run our offense?

Posted on 7/19/10 at 6:32 pm to
Posted by Tigerfan29
Alexandria
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/19/10 at 6:32 pm to
two options to the weak side and a long pass. thats how I do it on ncaa 2009 anyway
Posted by TigahFan4Life
Baton Rouge, LA home of the TIGAHS!
Member since Aug 2007
11013 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 6:34 pm to
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What about the REST of the team?????


Hopefully BG's presence brings enough passion to the rest of the team. I swear after he spoke, i was ready to strap up and get on the field

Posted by TigerBandAlumnus82
Pensacola,FL
Member since Jul 2007
3104 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 6:46 pm to
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Get the ball in sheps hands...That would be my first priority

If you're talking about LSU in 2010, I'd run the offense we ran in 2008 with JL that scored points and racked up yardage, regardless of the risk of Picks and Pick 6's. If JJ can't run that offense, then put Lee Sr. back in there and sink or swim with him.

Crowton can't continue to "Run Scared" using a watered down high school offense just because the QB can't run what he wants or because the he's scared to put the QB at risk of making a mistake.

Either that OR run a much simpler offense that's based on a power running game that doesn't require the QB to do too much. Let the QB just hand the ball off to the RB's and throw 5-15 yard passes out in space to our talented play making receivers. Get the freaking TE involved in the passing game too.

Improvement of the Offensive Line (And no major injuries to the starters) is the KEY to it all though.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60639 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 6:52 pm to
I quit reading after first 10 posts mentioned "option to the short side of the field"

The option is not a fricking sweep. The option is the option. It can be run equally well on the long or short side of the hash.....we just can not RUN the OPTION. Everyone who mentions short side is just silly.

Posted by matt314
Member since Oct 2009
183 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 7:55 pm to
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The option is not a fricking sweep. The option is the option. It can be run equally well on the long or short side of the hash.....we just can not RUN the OPTION. Everyone who mentions short side is just silly.



Uh... no.

It has to be run more decisively to the short side or you will run out of room and have a cluster with the option back. The sideline becomes an extra defender. Seeing that making rapid decisions was not a strength of our QB's last year running to the short side was dumb. Stevie Wonder could see that. The fact that we could not run it to the wide side either because we were fundamentally awful on all aspects of the play is a separate issue.
Posted by DropaDeuce
Houston
Member since Jul 2006
1555 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 8:33 pm to
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How bout: no options to the short side of the field!
Like This?
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60639 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 8:53 pm to
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The fact that we could not run it to the wide side either because we were fundamentally awful on all aspects of the play is a separate issue.


No it is THE issue. They could be on the deck of a fricking aircraft carrier and could not execute it.
Posted by Jerry Campbell
Member since Jul 2010
136 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 8:56 pm to
spread and get the ball in the playmakers hands like shepard
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60639 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 9:05 pm to
Thank you DropaDeuce.

Amazing...you could also watch GT and see them run to the shortside all the day long.

I suppose that our coaches should just eliminate 49percent and less of the field to certain plays!!
Posted by therocketscientist
too far away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2007
5010 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 9:09 pm to
Shepard, even though the defense was 99% sure he was going to run and not pass, averaged over 6 yards per carry when he played last year.

As such, I would mix him into the backfield occasionally and hit him from the slot into the open field many times.

That would be a start.

As was it silly not to run Charles Scott in the 2nd half of Kentucky-2007, it was beyond silly to give Shep no carries at all against Bama and against Penn State. Pure lunacy.
Posted by SteveLSU35
Shreveport
Member since Mar 2004
14844 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 9:15 pm to
I'm still waiting for others to really explain how the would run and offense. Not just what their offense would entail.

How would you attack different defenses?
I was really hoping a few other guys would put a little thought into it.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
70522 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 9:16 pm to
Has the Statue of Liberty been mentioned in this thread yet?
Posted by Brett425
West Monroe, La.
Member since Jun 2010
1758 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 9:18 pm to
Hopefully the running game will open up a lot of things this season. Give RS his touches and give JJ confidence in the short and intermediate routes. Then play action long pass to Randle
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 9:45 pm to
LINK

I like this offense. It's simple, effective, and it's aggressive.
Posted by lsusportsman2
Member since Oct 2007
27232 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 10:07 pm to
If Crowton can't figure it out, then the dumbasses on the frickng rant sure won't figure it out.
Posted by matt314
Member since Oct 2009
183 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 10:15 pm to
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Amazing...you could also watch GT and see them run to the shortside all the day long.

I suppose that our coaches should just eliminate 49percent and less of the field to certain plays!!


It's not amazing, it's called skill.

You could also post video of Nebraska and Eric Crouch or OU with Jack Mildren or Jamelle Holloway. What in heaven's name does that have to do with JJ and JL? Are you comparing Herb Tyler's feet and decision making on the option to theirs? I'd drop either JJ or JL in the pocket to go downfield before Herb though. You'd roll Herb out to pass or run, and you'd option our slow QB's wide with room to decide on the pitch, and probably not run option at all.

Personnel abilities and position on the field make a difference or you would line up the same no matter where you are on the hashes so let's stop this foolishness. What I said was:

"Seeing that making rapid decisions was not a strength of our QB's last year running to the short side was dumb." and running it more than the three times it would take to figure that out was a landmark of GC's coaching and our 110th ranked O last year.

What offense to run? How about one that enhances the strengths of our players and limits their weaknesses. Like rolling out with JJ to run or pass and giving him one (maybe two) pass option(s), which he did well in HS. Yes, I know it's not HS but he's got top college receivers now. The idea is to get them the ball in space. Create some. Get him outside the pocket and use flares and quick throws to the RB's and drags to the WR's. When you go downfield make it mid range. He is inaccurate long. Throw it deep once a half for kicks and tell the WR to expect the ball 10 yards over his head and be ready to tackle the safety. Never call a pass from the pocket when you're in position to kick the game winning FG.

With JL go under center 90% of the time. Watch film of Bama and Greg McIlroy. Play action, play action, play action and run between the tackles. That avoids having to make a quick read. Avoid crossing routes short over the middle since he has had trouble leading receivers on short routes. Go deep off play action enough to open the slot and TE in the middle zones. Use the RB out of the backfield, JL throws that well.

Of course we could ignore all that BS and run spread with an empty backfield with both our slow guys and count on them to make quick reads on throws over the middle or use their feet to escape. On every run play we could bring in the heavy package and run the ISO with a freshman FB looking for someone to block. What could go wrong?
Posted by yamammasprofile
LSU bball will win 9 SEC games
Member since May 2010
6518 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 10:25 pm to
Pro style... Running game with passing game that takes advantage of mismatches on the outside and in the slot with LB's covering slot receivers (think Shep). Just simplify things and get the playmakers the ball. QB is just a facilitator, the offense we ran when we were winning championships.
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 10:26 pm to
I'd run SHepard at reciever and line him up at qb every other play with Jefferson at wideout. At least the defense would not have us figured out on most plays. He could run, throw, fake, run options, handoff, etc. Then next play have him at wideout and put JJ under center.

Off balance defenses is the only hope for us this year.
Posted by DropaDeuce
Houston
Member since Jul 2006
1555 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 10:36 pm to
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I'd drop either JJ or JL in the pocket to go downfield before Herb though. You'd roll Herb out to pass or run, and you'd option our slow QB's wide with room to decide on the pitch, and probably not run option at all.
Your right about our qbs being slow for the option but they could really learn a thing from Herb about passing in the pocket. I don't have the the other highlight from the fla game but herb drops back and steps up into the pocket to avoid the rush from the ends and makes a beautiful throw. JJ really dosn't step into his throws, he back peddals. Jefferson running a bootleg pass play seems to net the best results
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 7/19/10 at 10:49 pm to
If you really watch, the option is the out play in 4-wide, check-with-me sets, where Crowton doesn't see anything he likes. Because he's up against the play clock, he has to have a default play to back into. It's run to the short side primarily because there are three receivers on the wide side, putting extra defenders over there...I'd much rather see the zone-read become this play, much like Florida did with Tebow.

The issue, though, is our quarterbacks aren't option tacticians...the short side argument is rantardian.
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