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re: How much difference will the flat seam baseball make?

Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:13 pm to
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:13 pm to
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The warning track is 15 feet wide, even if the ball does add what I think is a ridiculous 20 feet to every hit, then only 25% of warning track shots would leave the stadium


Are you sure???
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:15 pm to
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The warning track is 15 feet wide, even if the ball does add what I think is a ridiculous 20 feet to every hit, then only 25% of warning track shots would leave the stadium.


Solid logic. Every ball is hit to the edge of the warning track.
Posted by southeasttiger113
Member since Aug 2011
2046 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:18 pm to
wasn't thinking at all right there. Substitute 20 for 6 and do the same math, that's more realistic imo and it'd add 10 extra homers to last year even if there was a warning track shot every 2 games which wasn't even close to happening

ETA: what I was getting at in the post that I fricked the numbers up was that the new balls would add between 0 and 20 feet on a 15 foot track which would lead to 25% being gone.
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 4:20 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85182 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:19 pm to
Even a ball hit at the edge would only need to be falling at an angle of 39* to make it over the fence if it lands 20 feet further.

ETA: This assumes a 12 ft. fence. LSU has 10 and 14
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 4:22 pm
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:20 pm to
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Substitute 20 for 6 and do the same math, that's more realistic imo




quote:

ETA: what I was getting at in the post that I fricked the numbers up we're that the new balls would add between 0 and 20 feet on a 15 foot track which would lead to 25% being gone.



That isn't true either. The limit is not 20 feet. 20 feet was the average given the typical home run ball with an exiting velocity of 95 mph at a 45 degree (?? not sure if that was the correct angle).
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 4:22 pm
Posted by southeasttiger113
Member since Aug 2011
2046 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:22 pm to
Seriously, please get the frick out of this thread. Ell is actually an intelligent guy and I'm seeing where he's coming from even though I feel like I'm on one extreme of lowballing this and he's on another of highballing it but you're completely worthless
Posted by LSU 318 LSU
El Cerrito Place
Member since Jan 2011
4278 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:22 pm to
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Happens closer to once every 5-10
Aaron Nola? Is that you on the mound?
Posted by southeasttiger113
Member since Aug 2011
2046 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:27 pm to
I know that sounds low but I'd really like to get a hold of the number of warning track shots last year. Big hits have felt so rare since they started using BBCOR
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:28 pm to
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Seriously, please get the frick out of this thread.


Nah, always so angry though.

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Ell is actually an intelligent guy and I'm seeing where he's coming


Really, b/c you said:

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It's completely moronic and I'm sorry you can't see that.


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because you really don't across as someone that holds a degree in science. Any dickwad can sit behind a computer and claim to have been a minor league pitcher and physics major but I'm not really seeing where you're contributing any numbers or knowledge to the conversation


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Sure wasn't a very scientific explanation for someone that's devoted their life to physics. What field are you in exactly?



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Jesus Christ you're such a typical TD dumbass.


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That's as simply as I can break it down for you


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End of story, you're wearing rose colored glasses if you disagree


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but you're completely worthless


Ahhh, thanks

Grow up. ell has been very nice in this thread and has responded to your posts despite your complete lack of reading comprehension.

Maybe you should act like less of an arse towards him
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 4:30 pm
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:34 pm to
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Even a ball hit at the edge would only need to be falling at an angle of 39* to make it over the fence if it lands 20 feet further.



Not to mention that we're probably including balls that were caught on the warning track, which would be about 6 feet above the ground and haven't reached their full distance
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 4:34 pm
Posted by bruce2129
Lewisville TX
Member since Oct 2012
475 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:37 pm to
can't throw a curve, slider, knuckleball, 4 seam or 2 seam fastball. All of these depend on aerodynamic air flow over the seams to work. Changeups and split finger depend more on grip and arm speed.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85182 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:41 pm to
Wrong. With pitchers it's much more about grip. Like I eluded to earlier, it's about how fast the ball spins which has the biggest effect on movement because of pressure. And even if you were right, I have no clue what method you used to split up those pitches...
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 4:49 pm
Posted by southeasttiger113
Member since Aug 2011
2046 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:43 pm to
Most of those were addressed to you. And it's cute that you're sticking up for your internet boyfriend, try going outside occasionally and stop taking TD so seriously? Everything that he's explained I've agreed with, but not every formula translates to real life and basically all he's done is turn it into a formula/theory debate rather than addressIng my earlier posts when I was more on topic. Not saying I was derek jeter or had a significant playing career, but I've thrown and hit enough baseballs to know what I'm talking about and the seams from college to minor leagues made little to no difference, don't really care what anyone says otherwise. I already said that I know virtually nothing about physics but I do have a lotttttt more recent experience with this than the two of you do. Just trying to be realistic, but y'all feel free to keep debating with me about numbers that don't translate into real life because you're leaving out a ton of variables
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:46 pm to
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Most of those were addressed to you.


None of those were addressed to me

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try going outside occasionally and stop taking TD so seriously?




Yep, I'm the one taking this seriously. Calm down.
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 4:47 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
84377 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:47 pm to
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last year even if there was a warning track shot every 2 games which wasn't even close to happening


What team do you watch? We hit plenty of those last year.
Posted by LSU 318 LSU
El Cerrito Place
Member since Jan 2011
4278 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:54 pm to
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can't throw a curve, slider, knuckleball, 4 seam or 2 seam fastball
What can you throw?
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39988 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:56 pm to
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the seams from college to minor leagues made little to no difference

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I already said that I know virtually nothing about physics

Nice...
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85182 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:56 pm to
Because physics isn't real life?

Okay. You go on "feel" and don't care what anyone says. That's fine. But don't claim that's more "realistic" than stepping back and using real data and results.

You don't need to keep throwing out your credentials to try and give you credibility. We're on the rant and it doesn't mean shite. We're all arguing over pointless crap. Just try not to be such an arse about it and make a fool of yourself.

And TigerBait, I'll be your e-boyfriend.
Posted by OneMoreTime
Florida Gulf Coast Fan
Member since Dec 2008
61837 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 5:12 pm to
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Not saying I was derek jeter or had a significant playing career, but I've thrown and hit enough baseballs to know what I'm talking about and the seams from college to minor leagues made little to no difference, don't really care what anyone says otherwise. I already said that I know virtually nothing about physics
You are a moron.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56786 posts
Posted on 1/28/15 at 5:24 pm to
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but I've thrown and hit enough baseballs to know what I'm talking about and the seams from college to minor leagues made little to no difference


It's probably because the bats at the time compensated for the difference. When was this?
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