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re: How Does This Quote Sit With You?

Posted on 8/4/08 at 11:40 am to
Posted by TigerStripes06
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 8/4/08 at 11:40 am to
its pretty obvious the guy didnt see the video of the whole thing because if he would have there is no way he could have taken snoops actions and comments so out of context.
Posted by MatthewBunch
Coral Gables
Member since Aug 2008
5 posts
Posted on 8/4/08 at 11:53 am to
But it's not about the context. I know they were talking about work with kids, and that's fantastic. But just show up. Don't wear the jersey. Don't do it with a big skit involving the woman. Be serious; it's a serious topic. It seemed like Les Miles and Snoop Dogg trying to squeeze publicity blood out of a turnip. The intentions were good, but it was done the wrong way, the least of which being the fact that as a USC fan, there should be some kind of reluctance to wear a LSU jersey.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
46425 posts
Posted on 8/4/08 at 12:25 pm to
It's just a mild shot by an idiot looking for something to rile up the LSU fanbase....

Maybe they don't want LSU to become even MORE prominent.......but too bad, it's coming anyway.

Posted by MatthewBunch
Coral Gables
Member since Aug 2008
5 posts
Posted on 8/4/08 at 12:28 pm to
Good lord, I'm not trying to rile up the LSU fanbase. Did you read my previous post?

Nothing is directed at LSU. I would actually say LSU is my favorite SEC team; they're fun to watch. Managing to do what you've done in this decade is very hard to do, and that will soon pay off in being listed among the biggest programs in the country. But it takes sustained winning and time.

And the post wasn't really even about LSU! It was about Snoop Dogg!
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12728 posts
Posted on 8/4/08 at 6:11 pm to
quote:

Nothing is directed at LSU.
Really?

quote:

"Honestly, unless your from Louisiana or attended LSU, there's no reason you should be a fan, unless you're just following their recent success. There's really no huge tradition of overwhelming success like a USC (or Miami, for that matter)."
So basically, anyone outside of Louisiana that isn't an alum is just a bandwagoner, and LSU has zero to offer that might appeal to anyone outside of the State of Louisiana other than recent success for the aforementioned bandwagoners . . . but you were directing "nothing" at LSU.

Get a grip. Whether you intended it or not, what you wrote was ridiculously disrespectful towards LSU, college football fans, and the general populace. There are millions of people who are fans of teams to whom they have no direct connection, and whose fandom is not based on recent success. Some people like certain coaches. Some people get a kick out of the fanbase. Some people like the location (Miami, SC, anyone?). There are thousands of reasons. To suggest that all those reasons should be lumped together as "bandwagon fans" is more than absurd, it's insulting.

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that will soon pay off in being listed among the biggest programs in the country. But it takes sustained winning and time.
And you reveal your own hypocrisy. You straight out condemn people for being fans of LSU as having "no reason" other than our recent success, insisting that is not enough to be "legitimate fans." But then you turn around and suggest that a few more years of winning will suddenly make the exact same "bandwagon" mentality somehow more legit than people who just genuinely like a school or a team.

There are reasons for liking a school and a team that have nothing to do with how much that team wins or loses over any period of time, recent or forever. And all, ALL of those reasons are better than someone liking a school or a team because of ANY amount of "winning."

Posted by MatthewBunch
Coral Gables
Member since Aug 2008
5 posts
Posted on 8/6/08 at 4:21 am to
I fully and completely acknowledge I misstated what I was trying to convey. I'm saying that if you're a generic fan of football, I would find it odd if you were a fan of LSU if you didn't attend LSU or live in the general area.

I understand it more if you're the same generic fan and pick Miami or USC, because they have a larger name nationally. I don't support it, because I don't think you should just go willy-nilly and pick a team just because they're successful, no matter if they're supporting LSU or Miami or Podunk U.

I'm not condemning anyone for their team selection if there's a solid reason behind it. Maybe someone was rained in on a Halloween night and watched Billy Cannon's return live and they got stuck from there or loves Death Valley for the atmosphere or wanted to go to LSU but couldn't get in; there are plenty of reasons why someone would have a reason to pull for LSU, but in my opinion, the Tigers wouldn't be on the top of my list of teams I would think someone would jump on the bandwagon for. Maybe I'm wrong, and there's a whole chunk of the country that doesn't live in Louisiana but thinks of LSU when they would be asked who are the biggest football programs in the country. In my experience around football fans, I would say no, but as you excerpted me, I think that will change thanks to the program that LSU has built. Will it be any more right 15 years from now when someone jumps on the LSU bandwagon just because they're winning? No, just like it was silly to jump on Miami's bandwagon in the early '90's when they were winning. It's just the way it is.

I'll say it again, I really didn't mean to insult LSU in what I said; I respect the LSU program a lot, and favor it more than probably any other SEC program because of the fanbase, which I think is quite colorful and who would follow their team into a fire (which I wish Miami was better at). I was just trying to give some analysis on the point, and misphrased what I was trying to say.
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