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re: How can college officials over 2 qtrs to throw a flag
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:10 am to 62zip
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:10 am to 62zip
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Do you expect a flag every time T-Bob points at a defender prior to the snap too?
No because that does not simulate a snap. He also doesn't point in the air with one hand as he's snapping with the other.
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Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:10 am to Golfer
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I know what S20 is...Illegal shift OR Illegal motion.
So, now you're telling me that the signal for illegal shift and the signal for illegal motion are the same?
Assuming for a second that that's accurate (it's not, but for the sake of argument...)but again, what does that have to do with a false start?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:11 am to 62zip
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he's using a section of the rule that refers to shifts to argue about a false start.
You realize the other portion of the rule is clarified as a false start? S19.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:12 am to Golfer
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No because that does not simulate a snap. He also doesn't point in the air with one hand as he's snapping with the other.
Hmmm, so lifting a hand and pointing doesn't simulate the snap, but turning to communicate with another OL does?
Do you make sure T-Bob pauses for a full second after pointing before snapping the ball? We wouldn't want him to be guilty of an illegal shift would we?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:13 am to 62zip
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So, now you're telling me that the signal for illegal shift and the signal for illegal motion are the same?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:14 am to Golfer
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You realize the other portion of the rule is clarified as a false start? S19.
Now you're starting to get it.
That's the key - the OTHER part of the rule.
If the part referring to shifts was also referring to false starts then there would be two signal cites following the rule, but there is only one, the one for an illegal shift (not illegal motion btw) - there is a reason for that.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:14 am to 62zip
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Hmmm, so lifting a hand and pointing doesn't simulate the snap, but turning to communicate with another OL does?
Head jerking vs. pointing out a blocker...hmmm...
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:15 am to Golfer
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I'd have this discussion if LSU wasn't involved.
Of course you would.
BTW, HERE is yet one more of LSU's foul for offsides the RantTards were bitchin' about. Note the DE's head in the neutral zone when he lined up.
30+ plays of false starts in the 1st half and every single one missed by a crew with 150+ years of experience. Amazing!
Golfer, why don't you call Rogers in the morning and straighten him out on this?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:17 am to Golfer
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Head jerking vs. pointing out a blocker...hmmm...
Well, here is the rule you bolded - what's the difference? Does it make an exception for "pointing out a blocker."
What blocker is T-Bob pointion out on the defensive side of the ball, anyhow?
ETA: Sorry, here it is.
ARTICLE 4. a. If a snap is preceded by a huddle or shift, all players of the
offensive team must come to an absolute stop and remain stationary in their
positions, without movement of the feet, body, head or arms, for at least one
full second before the ball is snapped (A.R. 7-1-4-I) [S20].
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 1:20 am
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:18 am to Golfer
Similar, not identical, but again, what does either have to do with a false start?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:19 am to arrakis
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Of course you would.
I would, but okay.
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BTW, HERE is yet one more of LSU's foul for offsides the RantTards were bitchin' about. Note the DE's head in the neutral zone when he lined up.
1. It appears that the DE is lined up offsides on the play.
2. You're telling me the snapper with that head jerk just before the snap is legal? Please.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:20 am to 62zip
It's late. I'll leave Golfer in Zip's capable hands.
I want to thank Golfer for providing the entertainment for the evening. You keep studying that rule book.
P.S. Let us know how your conversation with Rogers goes.
Night everyone.
I want to thank Golfer for providing the entertainment for the evening. You keep studying that rule book.
P.S. Let us know how your conversation with Rogers goes.
Night everyone.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:21 am to arrakis
He's on his own - I'm going to bed too.
Maybe when he calls Dr. Redding, he can get an explanation on the philosophy bere.
Maybe when he calls Dr. Redding, he can get an explanation on the philosophy bere.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:22 am to 62zip
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what does either have to do with a false start?
The point I was making is that he is not only breaking the illegal motion rule, but also committing a false start. By not remaining set for 1 second before the snap and by also using abrupt head motions.
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 1:23 am
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:25 am to 62zip
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Maybe when he calls Dr. Redding, he can get an explanation on the philosophy bere.
Damn, I'm glad I actually never officiated football...you're welcoming attitude is worse than the basketball guys...
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:26 am to Golfer
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The point I was making is that he is not only breaking the illegal motion rule, but also committing a false start. By not remaining set for 1 second before the snap and by also using abrupt head motions.
So now, you're bringing illegal motion into the discussion in addition to illegal shift and false start? I almost wish it wasn't so late, because I would love to hear how he's guilty of illegal motion. But you got an 85 on the test, right?
Neither illegal motion nor illegal shift has anything to do with what you are talking about.
Of course I really don't understnad why a coach would gripe about the head movement in the first place -you watch it about 4-5 times and you're on the snap coune EVERY time which has to give an advantage to your defense.
Nite - who knows, maybe we'll talk tomorrow.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:29 am to Golfer
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Damn, I'm glad I actually never officiated football...you're welcoming attitude is worse than the basketball guys...
Hey, you tell me you're interested in calling football and I will absolutely bend over backwards to help you be the best football official you can be - but acting like you know it all when you don't is not really the way to endear yourself.
We start the Monday before the 4th of July, which I'm sure you know - you just say the word and I will go out of my way to help you succeed, but part of that is listening to someone who actually understands the rules when they try to explain them to you.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:34 am to 62zip
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but acting like you know it all when you don't is not really the way to endear yourself.
That's the thing, I never did anywhere in this thread. I've been jumped on as if I did. I'm simply using the text of the rules as stated and showing how it is interpreted to be an illegal movement. I get that there are things that are "technically" illegal, but are not called...happens in volleyball all the time.
I'd actually love to officiate full time for every sport if it paid enough...beats what I'm doing day to day in the office. I love sports too much.
But when I get chewed out by an older official because I'm too young to "know it all" according to him...it isn't fun anymore. I made one blatantly obvious call in his zone that he missed and he goes off.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:36 am to 62zip
So what movement did Florida make that actually got called?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:39 am to Golfer
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I'm simply using the text of the rules as stated and showing how it is interpreted to be an illegal movement.
There's your problem and I've said it several times. To properly understand the rules you have to comprehend the philosophy and application; not just the text. Your "10 minute expert" interpretation and application of the rule is laughable....but you can't see that because you know and you know you know.
The more you post, the clearer it gets.
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But when I get chewed out by an older official because I'm too young to "know it all" according to him...it isn't fun anymore. I made one blatantly obvious call in his zone that he missed and he goes off.
More likely he told you to take care of your responsibilities, but instead of doing that you thought you could do his job as well. Also, if it's "not fun anymore" when criticism comes your way, that's a good indicator you can't hack the job. Good officials welcome it from peers, supervisors, and coaches.
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Damn, I'm glad I actually never officiated football...you're welcoming attitude is worse than the basketball guys...
They figured you out. A Newbie Knowitall is much easier to spot than you realize and isn't worth wasting time trying to help. The fact is experienced officials will bend over backwards to help a new official who wants to learn the game.
I've seen a hundred or more just like you come and go; most don't last a full season and blame others for their failure. Frankly I didn't think it possible, but you make sloflopro look good.
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