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re: How can college officials over 2 qtrs to throw a flag
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:23 pm to 62zip
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:23 pm to 62zip
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I'm thinking the best thing to do regarding fans is to pretend they are coaches.
That would be an insult to the coaches. The ones I deal with are sharp, knowledgeable, and professional.
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Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:25 pm to arrakis
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That would be an insult to the coaches. The ones I deal with are sharp, knowledgeable, and professional.
Can I come work where you do? We have some sharp ones, but many others, not so much.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:26 pm to POBIII
Don't forget Alem's kicks when the ball rolls in front of him after the play is over. ala Arkansas game last year.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:26 pm to POBIII
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If it is legal for UF, I hope that LSU coaches realign Ciron Black so he can get a better advantage on his defender cause in the game he had his butt handed to him by UF's DE.
Seriously, it's perfectly legal. This week, next week, and every week. Good tackles know how to line up and they will take every legal advantage they can. The officials who call that are the H and L. They are looking right down the LOS and can see the snapper and the tackle.....it's an easy call.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:31 pm to arrakis
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Seriously, it's perfectly legal. This week, next week, and every week. Good tackles know how to line up and they will take every legal advantage they can. The officials who call that are the H and L. They are looking right down the LOS and can see the snapper and the tackle.....it's an easy call.
Speaking of - what position do you work?
With the exception of 2 games (both at L) my entire varsity career has been at B.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:34 pm to 62zip
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Can I come work where you do? We have some sharp ones, but many others, not so much.
Any day...c'mon over.
I'm going back a LONG time to when I first started, but I can never forget the finest coach I've ever called for...Red Franklin. The man was not only a great coach, he was the definition of class....and his teams reflected his character. I called for a handful that were on the other end of the spectrum, but not many.
In fact I saw that one, in the not so professional and knowledgeable category, was still coaching in LA. Fond memories of him...NOT.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:39 pm to 62zip
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Speaking of - what position do you work?
Over the years I've worked them all; except the U. I worked it for less than one season and said no way. I won't work the U for anybody or any amount of money.
Currently I work H,L, and S; mostly the sticks. That's why I know the coaches so well. They are in my ear all night...
They don't bother me. They have a job to do and I have a job to do.Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:41 pm to arrakis
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They have a job to do and I have a job to do.
I've always wanted to put a book together of all the stuff that comes out of the mouths of coaches. What a fertile topic.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:45 pm to arrakis
Arrakis and 62zip,
Not to beat a dead horse, but what do you think as a referee about a situation like Cooper pulling on a jersey when the ref misses it. I mean, I know calls get missed in every game, but, will he be subjected to closer scrutiny in future games?
Just curious.
Not to beat a dead horse, but what do you think as a referee about a situation like Cooper pulling on a jersey when the ref misses it. I mean, I know calls get missed in every game, but, will he be subjected to closer scrutiny in future games?
Just curious.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:51 pm to tigercavor
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Not to beat a dead horse, but what do you think as a referee about a situation like Cooper pulling on a jersey when the ref misses it. I mean, I know calls get missed in every game, but, will he be subjected to closer scrutiny in future games?
I think it's a good play by a receiver in that situation - it's almost impossible for the F to detect that pull - people wanna get worked up when they see it from a different angle in slo-mo on the TV, but good luck seeing it from 20 yards behind the play. That's football. JMO of course.
The funniest though was on another board - someone was pissed that the chain crew didn't have any input on that play.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 5:02 pm to 62zip
Thanks for the honest answer.
I guess players know about where the "holes" in the coverage are and act accordingly.
I guess players know about where the "holes" in the coverage are and act accordingly.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 5:06 pm to tigercavor
I agree with Zip. It's harder to pick up that call than people realize. But, after watching the video and getting a good look, I would have flagged him for OPI. In my mind he clearly created separation and gained an advantage. The first video I saw it wasn't clear, but the second viewpoint was obvious.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 5:56 pm to arrakis
In the first half, the center was set and picked the ball up during the count and then snapped. Another play after being set, he moved the ball forward a good 6 inches during the snap count and then snapped the ball. Shoud have been noted earlier...watch the replays.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:55 pm to TG
I noticed the UF center moving the ball as well, but our two refs on this thread will no doubt be able to discern that it was legal for the Gators to pick up the ball and move it forward before the snap. BTW, just watching Michigan and Iowa replay on ESPNU and Michigan OT was flagged for not being on the LOS and he was nowhere close to being as far back as the UF LT was for most of our game. I found that very interesting. Since 62zip is so adamant that his supervisor won't be very happy about his L making that judgement call.
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Obnet
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:41 pm to POBIII
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I noticed the UF center moving the ball as well, but our two refs on this thread will no doubt be able to discern that it was legal for the Gators to pick up the ball and move it forward before the snap. BTW, just watching Michigan and Iowa replay on ESPNU and Michigan OT was flagged for not being on the LOS and he was nowhere close to being as far back as the UF LT was for most of our game. I found that very interesting. Since 62zip is so adamant that his supervisor won't be very happy about his L making that judgement call.
Well if he was nowhere near being as far back as the UF LT was in that screengrab, then he's getting dinged for that flag.
Different supervisor of course, but if it's as you described, it's going to be a downgrade for whomever put a flag on it.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:50 pm to arrakis
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I agree with Zip. It's harder to pick up that call than people realize. But, after watching the video and getting a good look, I would have flagged him for OPI. In my mind he clearly created separation and gained an advantage. The first video I saw it wasn't clear, but the second viewpoint was obvious.
Yeah but you know how the fanboys view it - if you can see it from one of eight different angles in slo-mo then the guy who didn't flag it was obviously either cheating for Florida or incompetent and either way should be fired immediately.
Some of my favorites (from another site):
"There are 4 or 5 guys out there, one of them had to see it."
"That ref in the end zone was looking at the ball, not the players."
"a good ref would have seen the play and made the proper call, again the no call went against LSU"
I gotta admit, my favorite is when the fanboys want to start talking mechanics.
I love, "The ref right there didn't throw anything, but the guy 20 yards away had to inject himself into the play blah, blah, blah..."
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:52 pm to 62zip
You old high school refs are pretty snide.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:01 pm to Night Man
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You old high school refs are pretty snide.
Come on, I'm not THAT old.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:38 am to arrakis
quote:bullshite. We got called on a defensive offsides early in the game because one of the DT's jumped when the center jerked his head in an apparent attempt to "take advantage of it". It wasn't called False Start that play but was in the 3rd quarter after LM talked to the refs.
LSU knew or should have known when the snap would occur on every play....but they didn't take advantage of it.
Seems to me that as long as a coach talks to a ref beforehand, the call will go their way. UM talked to the refs before the game and there was no call. LM talked to the refs during the game and there was a call. Same exact situation, two different calls from the ref. I guess us dumb fans just ain't gots enough sense to clearly understand that the same thing can be called two ways.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:45 am to arrakis
You do realize that your red line (that barely touches the left tackle's helmet) is no where near parallel with the blue line of scrimmage, right?
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