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Honest question about our offensive and defensive stats...
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:01 am
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:01 am
I am not someone who starts ridiculous threads often, but this popped into my mind today.
In comparison to previous seasons, it really seems like one reason our offensive numbers are so low is due to a much lower number of possessions in games. I wathced the Florda game and we had four possessions the whole first half, and 11 the whole game. In comparison, we had 17 last season. It really looks like our problem is the lack of chemistry in the QB game. Everything is at the line and this milks the clock so much. If you run an avrage of 60 plays a game, and use an extra five seconds each play to use this "look at the sideline" stuff we use, that's five minutes right there.
IDK if this makes much sense, but this skews the numbers and hurts us when we play anybody, except maybe UF or BAMA. We have the talent, but we limit our own touches with the ball by holding it so much. Thoughts?
In comparison to previous seasons, it really seems like one reason our offensive numbers are so low is due to a much lower number of possessions in games. I wathced the Florda game and we had four possessions the whole first half, and 11 the whole game. In comparison, we had 17 last season. It really looks like our problem is the lack of chemistry in the QB game. Everything is at the line and this milks the clock so much. If you run an avrage of 60 plays a game, and use an extra five seconds each play to use this "look at the sideline" stuff we use, that's five minutes right there.
IDK if this makes much sense, but this skews the numbers and hurts us when we play anybody, except maybe UF or BAMA. We have the talent, but we limit our own touches with the ball by holding it so much. Thoughts?
This post was edited on 11/18/09 at 12:02 am
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:05 am to rpg37
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If you run an avrage of 60 plays a game, and use an extra five seconds each play to use this "look at the sideline" stuff we use, that's five minutes right there.
I think we've used the "look at the sideline" stuff about 5 times the past four games. It really seems like we're seeing it MUCH less often than earlier in the year.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:09 am to rpg37
Get a new OC , OL and DL coaches and get the OC, OB coach to really work with that #14. I've heard he has a cannon and a brain. Put #10 at TB and WR plus return man. Move T-Bob to either TE, FB or LB, he is too small to be a center at this level.
Utilize the best players with special plays for them and get the Lineman in the GYM during the off season in a serious way. Hopefully, good OL and DL coaches can get the kinks worked out very quick?
And some damn emotion from the CEO of this team; come on L.M.?
Utilize the best players with special plays for them and get the Lineman in the GYM during the off season in a serious way. Hopefully, good OL and DL coaches can get the kinks worked out very quick?
And some damn emotion from the CEO of this team; come on L.M.?
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:11 am to rpg37
The new clock rules have given everybody less possessions, so it shouldn't skew our stats very much relative to the competition.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:12 am to someoldhussy
The stats are "skewed" because we can't sustain drives...
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:25 am to DocBugbear
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The stats are "skewed" because we can't sustain drives...
This. We can debate the reasons (untimely and stupid penalties, bad play calling, QB holding the ball too long, the OL not protecting/opening holes, etc.), but the inability to sustain drives is killing this offense. I haven't looked at the total numbers but I'd guess we have more 3 and outs than not.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 4:37 am to rpg37
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I wathced the Florda game and we had four possessions the whole first half, and 11 the whole game. In comparison, we had 17 last season. It really looks like our problem is the lack of chemistry in the QB game
1. our offense flat out sucked, that's why we didnt sustain drives against UF.
2. Even though our D didn't give up many points, we never forced UF to a 3 and out, and they almost always had a fairly long drive into our territory.
And that is why we had such a low number of possessions against Florida. That is the reason MUCH more than the checking to the sideline thing.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 7:22 am to jesterJ
This teams problem is the inability to run the football when we need short yardage to keep a drive going,hence 3 and out resulting in fewer plays run. In the last 3 years our running stats have decreased. Everytime we have been successful running the football this year has been when Lonergan was at center & Blackwell at guard. You would think that a lightbulb would go on in someones head that perhaps T-Bob and Dworaczky should be backups & not starters.If anyone of the coaches should be replaced it should be the ones selecting and coaching the linemen on both sides of the ball because the O-Linemen & D-Linemen are lacking.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 7:55 am to aglandry
the reason why we had the ball 17 times last year was because florida scored every other damn minute.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 7:58 am to DocBugbear
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The stats are skewed because we can't sustain drives...
this and our D is a bend, don't break D. they have been allowing longer drives yet yielding less scores. i don't have any stats to back me up, but it seems like our D is always on the field. i think our O is the primary culpret though.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:55 am to LSU GrandDad
I posted this after the Tulane game, but it probably hasn't changed much. The clock rules were in effect last year as well. I think the thread is spot on with our lack of sustained drives and a D that doesn't get off the field as quickly (because we don't get the 3-and-outs of the past or give up the quick-strike score as often).
I got these numbers from LSUSports.net, and hopefully my math is correct. By the way, I took sacks and moved them from rushes to passes, so make of that what you may.
2007: 14 games 75.2 plays 41.5 rushes 33.7 passes 1.23 rush/pass ratio
2008: 13 games 68.2 plays 36.4 rushes 31.8 passes 1.14 rush/pass ratio
2009: 8 games 60.1 plays 32.9 rushes 28.0 passes 1.17 rush/pass ratio
We're running 15 less plays per game than we did in 2007 when Hester was the man, and Keiland and Chuck were contributors. Almost 9 fewer rushes per game from then, and 3.5 rushes fewer from last year.
With Jefferson getting almost 7 carries a game, there are only 26 carries to hand out to Scott, Shepard, Keiland, Holliday, and Ridley. Even if Les kept Scott to 15 per game, that's 11 for the other four. Someone's got to miss out.
In 2007, we ran the ball 582 times! Last year, it was 473 in one less game. This season, we're on pace for 427 (in 13 games) or 460 (in 14 games). There's no real way to solve the problem other than going strictly by committee. We just don't run enough plays.
I got these numbers from LSUSports.net, and hopefully my math is correct. By the way, I took sacks and moved them from rushes to passes, so make of that what you may.
2007: 14 games 75.2 plays 41.5 rushes 33.7 passes 1.23 rush/pass ratio
2008: 13 games 68.2 plays 36.4 rushes 31.8 passes 1.14 rush/pass ratio
2009: 8 games 60.1 plays 32.9 rushes 28.0 passes 1.17 rush/pass ratio
We're running 15 less plays per game than we did in 2007 when Hester was the man, and Keiland and Chuck were contributors. Almost 9 fewer rushes per game from then, and 3.5 rushes fewer from last year.
With Jefferson getting almost 7 carries a game, there are only 26 carries to hand out to Scott, Shepard, Keiland, Holliday, and Ridley. Even if Les kept Scott to 15 per game, that's 11 for the other four. Someone's got to miss out.
In 2007, we ran the ball 582 times! Last year, it was 473 in one less game. This season, we're on pace for 427 (in 13 games) or 460 (in 14 games). There's no real way to solve the problem other than going strictly by committee. We just don't run enough plays.
This post was edited on 11/18/09 at 8:56 am
Posted on 11/18/09 at 9:11 am to jesterJ
quote:Some good suggestions here...Not bad sparky, not bad.
Get a new OC , OL and DL coaches and get the OC, OB coach to really work with that #14. I've heard he has a cannon and a brain. Put #10 at TB and WR plus return man. Move T-Bob to either TE, FB or LB, he is too small to be a center at this level.
Utilize the best players with special plays for them and get the Lineman in the GYM during the off season in a serious way. Hopefully, good OL and DL coaches can get the kinks worked out very quick?Actually, all of these are pretty good suggestions, not a bad job there sparky. Not sure I agree with the T-Bob thing, he's too slow to be playing any of those other positions.
And some damn emotion from the CEO of this team; come on L.M.?
This post was edited on 11/18/09 at 9:12 am
Posted on 11/18/09 at 9:45 am to Tiger_n_ATL
The main problem is we have had too many third & short & can't get a yard to continue a drive. Too many three & outs. That is an O-LINE problem.No excuse except we have the wrong players starting up front. In the Tulane & La Tech game where we ran the ball somewhat, there were players other than the usual starters on the O-LINE.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 10:19 am to rpg37
I think this is due to our defense play. We can't get teams off the field. If we went three and out a lot, then we should have more possessions, not less. Also have to factor in turnovers as well. If we sustained drives, we would work more clock and hence have less drives.
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