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re: Hannigrif says Orgeron made Canada makes changes by game 3.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:47 am to bencoleman
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:47 am to bencoleman
It does but regardless that’s not the post you referenced this is
“I’m not sure how anyone comes to the conclusion that Orgeron wanted to run the ball so frequently in 2017. It’s well documented that Orgeron prefers the USC offense that won two NCs while he was assistant HC. After he was hired in November of 2016, he waited for Kiffin (certainly not a run-first OC) to complete his HC interviews. Then this year he hires Ensminger and LSU throws the ball more than it has in many years. To bolster the passing game he hires a Saints assistant for 2919.
2017 is the outlier.”
And the facts say the exact opposite 42.9% passing 57.1% rushing for Orgerons career run/pass ratio and almost the exact same pass attempts per game as Miles: (Orgeron 25.8 per game) (Miles 25.9 per game) . And in regards to the Canada comment 43.0 rushes per game in 2018, 43.3 rushes per game in 2017.
“I’m not sure how anyone comes to the conclusion that Orgeron wanted to run the ball so frequently in 2017. It’s well documented that Orgeron prefers the USC offense that won two NCs while he was assistant HC. After he was hired in November of 2016, he waited for Kiffin (certainly not a run-first OC) to complete his HC interviews. Then this year he hires Ensminger and LSU throws the ball more than it has in many years. To bolster the passing game he hires a Saints assistant for 2919.
2017 is the outlier.”
And the facts say the exact opposite 42.9% passing 57.1% rushing for Orgerons career run/pass ratio and almost the exact same pass attempts per game as Miles: (Orgeron 25.8 per game) (Miles 25.9 per game) . And in regards to the Canada comment 43.0 rushes per game in 2018, 43.3 rushes per game in 2017.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 7:55 am
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:54 am to Madking
Canada has head coaching experience on his resume after leading Maryland to a 5-7 mark on an interim basis this past season following the suspension, and eventual dismissal of DJ Durkin. Canada spent one season with Wisconsin (2012) as the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. Of Course, Canada went on to become the offensive coordinator at Pitt, LSU, and Maryland before being thrust into the interim head coach role this season
Here's one place in the article where Canada is mentioned. There's nothing to indicate that Canada was offered a job of any kind.
Here's one place in the article where Canada is mentioned. There's nothing to indicate that Canada was offered a job of any kind.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:56 am to bencoleman
Not true and I can’t make you read things you don’t want to read but again that has nothing to do with the post you referenced. Why do you keep insisting we discuss something that has nothing to do with the post you injected yourself into?
From the Pitt article
Industry sources tell Pittsburgh Sports Now that within the last two weeks, Pat Narduzzi has had multiple conversations with Canada about returning to Pitt. Canada was the team’s offensive coordinator in 2016 before accepting a similar, but a more highly compensated position at LSU.
PSN has been told that the first conversation between Narduzzi and Canada took place last week and the two sides left with optimism, but that optimism may have cooled in the meantime.
From the Pitt article
Industry sources tell Pittsburgh Sports Now that within the last two weeks, Pat Narduzzi has had multiple conversations with Canada about returning to Pitt. Canada was the team’s offensive coordinator in 2016 before accepting a similar, but a more highly compensated position at LSU.
PSN has been told that the first conversation between Narduzzi and Canada took place last week and the two sides left with optimism, but that optimism may have cooled in the meantime.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 7:59 am
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:59 am to Madking
Our sources add that another name to keep an eye on is Matt Canada
Here's the only other place in the article that Canada is mentioned. Again there's no mention of a job offer.
Here's the only other place in the article that Canada is mentioned. Again there's no mention of a job offer.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:59 am to bencoleman
Again from the Pitt article
Industry sources tell Pittsburgh Sports Now that within the last two weeks, Pat Narduzzi has had multiple conversations with Canada about returning to Pitt. Canada was the team’s offensive coordinator in 2016 before accepting a similar, but a more highly compensated position at LSU.
PSN has been told that the first conversation between Narduzzi and Canada took place last week and the two sides left with optimism, but that optimism may have cooled in the meantime.
Industry sources tell Pittsburgh Sports Now that within the last two weeks, Pat Narduzzi has had multiple conversations with Canada about returning to Pitt. Canada was the team’s offensive coordinator in 2016 before accepting a similar, but a more highly compensated position at LSU.
PSN has been told that the first conversation between Narduzzi and Canada took place last week and the two sides left with optimism, but that optimism may have cooled in the meantime.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:01 am to bencoleman
Why do you keep ignoring the point? This is what I was talking about, underhanded tactics and feigned ignorance. You know you’re purposely staying off topic..why would you do this other than to start shite? This is the third time one of you has pulled a stunt instead of just being honest and forthright. My patience is wearing thin.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 8:03 am
Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:02 am to Madking
quote:
From the Pitt article
Industry sources tell Pittsburgh Sports Now that within the last two weeks, Pat Narduzzi has had multiple conversations with Canada about returning to Pitt. Canada was the team’s offensive coordinator in 2016 before accepting a similar, but a more highly compensated position at LSU.
PSN has been told that the first conversation between Narduzzi and Canada took place last week and the two sides left with optimism, but that optimism may have cooled in the meantime
Nowhere in the two above paragraphs is Canada offered anything resembling a head coaching job.
The article that I copied and pasted is the one you marked Canada.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:06 am to bencoleman
Fine this is how you wanna play it I’ve bookmarked it so next time it gets ugly and you feign victimhood and pretend you’ve tried to be civil I have you dead to rights. I’m not gonna take the bait, you wanna deflect and play dumb be my guest.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:06 am to bencoleman
Pat Narduzzi has had multiple conversations with Canada about returning to Pitt.
Spin until your dizzy but if taking him out to dinner to talk to him about coming back to Pitt isn’t the same thing as asking him to come back you try and twist it if you want.
Spin until your dizzy but if taking him out to dinner to talk to him about coming back to Pitt isn’t the same thing as asking him to come back you try and twist it if you want.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 8:08 am
Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:09 am to Madking
quote:
Not true and I can’t make you read things you don’t want to read but again that has nothing to do with the post you referenced. Why do you keep insisting we discuss something that has nothing to do with the post you injected yourself into
Because for two days you've been claiming that Canada was offered the head coaching job at northern Illinois. Try as I might I couldn't find any information to corroborate your statement yesterday. Now the links that you've provided doesn't corroborate your claims either. Any fairminded person has to come to the conclusion that you're mistaken.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:10 am to bencoleman
Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:11 am to bencoleman
You’re simply ignoring the things you don’t want to be true. First it was nobody offered him then Pitt didn’t offer him now it’s on to the next one. Just stop it man what’s the angle? You wanna prove Matt Canada sucks, well you can’t so stop trying. He’s a Briles finalist, the only offensive finalist that year, he’s set records at every school he’s been to, he’s put up monster numbers, defeated Dabos #1 monster Clemson and developed multiple NFL QBs and starting QBs.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 8:16 am
Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:21 am to bencoleman
And again Canada’s coaching prospects have nothing to do with the post you were talking about so why do you keep harping on it?
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 8:21 am
Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:24 am to Madking
Canada’s name has also been mentioned as a potential candidate for the head coaching vacancy at Northern Illinois
Another fail.
Another fail.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:30 am to bencoleman
Wow so instead of admitting you were wrong about the post and for the initial insult that I decided to ignore in order to try and keep things civil you’ve opted to derail the topic, persistently throw insults, expose yourself as a two faced lying hypocrite and continue to be a complete a-hole. Good job you piece of shite, this is why it always gets ugly, because of you and you only. Congratulation a-hole
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 8:32 am
Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:33 am to Madking
quote:
what’s the angle? You wanna prove Matt Canada sucks, well you can’t so stop trying
I'm not trying to prove anything about Canada's coaching abilities I just want to clear up anything that may have come out about him that may be false due to misunderstanding or a mistake of some kind.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:44 am to bencoleman
This is what you were wrong about then went off the rails to try and cover up, all just because you refuse to admit anytime you’re wrong.
“I’m not sure how anyone comes to the conclusion that Orgeron wanted to run the ball so frequently in 2017. It’s well documented that Orgeron prefers the USC offense that won two NCs while he was assistant HC. After he was hired in November of 2016, he waited for Kiffin (certainly not a run-first OC) to complete his HC interviews. Then this year he hires Ensminger and LSU throws the ball more than it has in many years. To bolster the passing game he hires a Saints assistant for 2919.
2017 is the outlier”
My response :
That’s simply not true. Orgerons offenses have thrown more than they’ve run twice in the 7 seasons he’s either been HC or interim. His first season at Ole Miss and his 3rd at Ole Miss and it was by fewer than 3 plays per game, fewer than a play the second time. Every other season he’s been heavy run and last season compared to Canada’s offense the rushing attempts were damn near identical: 2017- 43.3 rushes per game, 2018- 43.0 rushes per game. For his entire career his run pass ratio is 25.9 passes to 34.5 rushes per game, that’s 42.9% to 57.1% (Miles 39.1%/ 60.9%) so I don’t know where you’re getting this “Orgeron wants the throw the ball more but Canada would t listen”. Theory from. Not trying to insult you man but what you’re saying just doesn’t add up factually.
Then I asked why he wouldn’t respond to the data....
Your reply:
“He's probably trying to do you a favor by not rubbing your nose in it.”
“I’m not sure how anyone comes to the conclusion that Orgeron wanted to run the ball so frequently in 2017. It’s well documented that Orgeron prefers the USC offense that won two NCs while he was assistant HC. After he was hired in November of 2016, he waited for Kiffin (certainly not a run-first OC) to complete his HC interviews. Then this year he hires Ensminger and LSU throws the ball more than it has in many years. To bolster the passing game he hires a Saints assistant for 2919.
2017 is the outlier”
My response :
That’s simply not true. Orgerons offenses have thrown more than they’ve run twice in the 7 seasons he’s either been HC or interim. His first season at Ole Miss and his 3rd at Ole Miss and it was by fewer than 3 plays per game, fewer than a play the second time. Every other season he’s been heavy run and last season compared to Canada’s offense the rushing attempts were damn near identical: 2017- 43.3 rushes per game, 2018- 43.0 rushes per game. For his entire career his run pass ratio is 25.9 passes to 34.5 rushes per game, that’s 42.9% to 57.1% (Miles 39.1%/ 60.9%) so I don’t know where you’re getting this “Orgeron wants the throw the ball more but Canada would t listen”. Theory from. Not trying to insult you man but what you’re saying just doesn’t add up factually.
Then I asked why he wouldn’t respond to the data....
Your reply:
“He's probably trying to do you a favor by not rubbing your nose in it.”
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 8:48 am
Posted on 5/30/19 at 9:07 am to bencoleman
quote:Not in the last week or so. He's been lock-step with the worst of the O-Bashers, IMO.
I can speak for Luny that he's never been that before. he's one of the more level headed posters that posts here.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 9:22 am to Madking
quote:
“He's probably trying to do you a favor by not rubbing your nose in it
I was talking about the Canada issue.
The O running vs pass to me doesn't mean much simply because what people were shooting for 10 years ago bears little resemblance to what they strive for today. Back then you heard balance. I'm not sure that balance is stressed as much today as it was then. I don't feel that the run/pass ratio is that important today as it was back then. I very well could be wrong. There may be a different ratio teams strive for today or hell they may still strive for balance although I haven't heard the word lately.
As it is we've got a good idea of what he wants to do and I don't see the relevance of the data. Not trying to belittle your work. I didn't sleep any last night and maybe there's a significance that I'm missing.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 9:30 am to Madking
quote:
He's probably trying to do you a favor by not rubbing your nose in it
I guess that this was a total misunderstanding on my part.
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