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re: Gary Crowton Winning Percentage
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:06 pm to LJBurton
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:06 pm to LJBurton
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Gary's record at LSU now stands at an almost as impressive 38-12 (.7600 winning percentage), meaning that 76% of the time, Crowton's offense outscores the opposition's offene.
Are you taking into account the games where our offense didn't outscore the opponent and without a ST or defensive td we would have lost?
There are at least 2 this year and we would have lost to MSU last year if not for CJ's run.
There have been several times that GC's offense has NOT outscored the opponent but LSU still won.
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Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:06 pm to LJBurton
Chavis saved crowtons arse this season. But not enough to remain coach at Lsu
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:08 pm to Antonio Moss
You are aware that there are THREE components of a football team correct?
Defense
Offense
Special Teams
Why does Crowton get credit for gaining 3 yards on a drive against Alabama after a turnover and Jasper kicks a 53 yard FG?
What sort of offensive genius is that????
Is Crowton responsible for Special Teams? If so I will gladly add XPs and FGs
Defense
Offense
Special Teams
Why does Crowton get credit for gaining 3 yards on a drive against Alabama after a turnover and Jasper kicks a 53 yard FG?
What sort of offensive genius is that????
Is Crowton responsible for Special Teams? If so I will gladly add XPs and FGs
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:11 pm to Catman88
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Catman88
Look, I can't stand Crowton, but when you start deducting FGs and XPs from a team's score while leaving them for the opponent, it's going to drastically change most teams' records.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:15 pm to LJBurton
Show me any fb game that shows a W because the stats were better than the other team........WINS make the record. Look at his wins.......
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:15 pm to Catman88
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How many games this year did LSU's Offense score more than the opposing team?
Per the Pigs webpages lol
Coach Bobby Petrino boasts the second-highest
career November winning percentage among current SEC coaches with at least one full year of experience, trailing only Florida’s Urban Meyer
(.838). Below is a list of the SEC Western Division coaches with their November winning percentage:
Bobby Petrino, Arkansas __________ .760 (19-6)
Nick Saban, Alabama _____________ .686 (35-16)
Les Miles, LSU _________________ .684 (26-12)
Houston Nutt, Ole Miss____________ .673 (37-18)
Gene Chizik, Auburn ________________ .417 (5-7)
Dan Mullin, Mississippi State __________ .250 (1-3)
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:17 pm to Antonio Moss
HENSE the point WHY its retarded to claim that an offensive coach gets credit for wins in the manner a HC gets though.
Crowton coaches a COMPONENT of the team. The TEAM wins as a whole. A component doesnt actually lose or win the game. You cannot compare an AC's job to the HC's win record.
His component has failed to produce more points than the opponent. A FG attemp comes after the failure of the offense to score a TD. An XP comes at the expense of the Special Teams.
Although I did accidently omit the 2 point conversion in the Bama game. Those points belong to the Offense.
Why should an OC get credit for having a guy kick a FG? There is no special play design at all.
The HEAD COACH however gets credit (AND BLAME) for his team as a whole. The assistants can only be graded by how their unit performs.
Now if GC is responsible for ST then that changes things but I dont believe he is.
RB coaches get grades on how the RBs perform
OL coaches get grades on how line performs
QB coaches get graded on how QBs perform
WR coaches get graded on how WRs perform
OC get graded on how all the above perform
HC's get graded on W/L record and how OC and DC and their underlings perform.
Crowton coaches a COMPONENT of the team. The TEAM wins as a whole. A component doesnt actually lose or win the game. You cannot compare an AC's job to the HC's win record.
His component has failed to produce more points than the opponent. A FG attemp comes after the failure of the offense to score a TD. An XP comes at the expense of the Special Teams.
Although I did accidently omit the 2 point conversion in the Bama game. Those points belong to the Offense.
Why should an OC get credit for having a guy kick a FG? There is no special play design at all.
The HEAD COACH however gets credit (AND BLAME) for his team as a whole. The assistants can only be graded by how their unit performs.
Now if GC is responsible for ST then that changes things but I dont believe he is.
RB coaches get grades on how the RBs perform
OL coaches get grades on how line performs
QB coaches get graded on how QBs perform
WR coaches get graded on how WRs perform
OC get graded on how all the above perform
HC's get graded on W/L record and how OC and DC and their underlings perform.
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:20 pm to Catman88
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Why should an OC get credit for having a guy kick a FG? There is no special play design at all.
Most of the time the offense has to get the team in FG position. Plus, XP only come after an offensive TD.
I know what you are trying to say, but this idea would skew most teams' records, not just LSU's.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:24 pm to Antonio Moss
So let Les evaluate his coaches and do his job. If you knew what you more than Les you would be the coach.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:26 pm to Antonio Moss
You have more of a point on XPs because the offense had to do something good to get the opportunity.
FGs however are not the same and would have to be graded on many variables.
Having a team score a FG after a turnover and failing to get a first down on offense is not a reward to the offensive coordinator.
So its best to just separate everything and compare (the real point is that its a stupid comparison because you cannot claim that an OC is directly responsible for the record as a whole unless you separate entirely)
FGs however are not the same and would have to be graded on many variables.
Having a team score a FG after a turnover and failing to get a first down on offense is not a reward to the offensive coordinator.
So its best to just separate everything and compare (the real point is that its a stupid comparison because you cannot claim that an OC is directly responsible for the record as a whole unless you separate entirely)
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:28 pm to Catman88
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(the real point is that its a stupid comparison because you cannot claim that an OC is directly responsible for the record as a whole unless you separate entirely)
Well, we agree on this.
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