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re: Game of the Century I will play on ESPNU @ 11pm tonight
Posted on 7/21/12 at 11:27 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 7/21/12 at 11:27 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Luckily for yall though, the game didn't matter, and after 9 quarters of wearing our D down with no pressure from our admittedly very limited O to attack one of the top 2 defenses in the country, Bama got in the end zone and snapped the 2 game losing streak against our worst QB era in LSU history.
While JJ/jLee had their struggles , IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE WORST QB SITUATION IN LSU HISTORY. Not even close. They were the weak link but we had studs around them.
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 11:30 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Pointing out glaring mistakes by a coach isn't delusional. That doesn't mean he's not a great coach. But he got lucky to get a second chance after blowing a game he should have won. That shouldn't mean that you bash him, just like after ULM, Utah, LSU or Auburn 2010 either. It happens. Great coaches lose games they shouldn't.
Not to mention, in 2010 Saban has the entire 2011 def, a first rd de, a first rd wr, a first rd and heisman winning rb, and a senior qb ( whom had already won a title) AND LOST 3 games. Massive underachievement.
This post was edited on 7/21/12 at 11:35 am
Posted on 7/21/12 at 11:33 am to Rickdaddy4188
I'm only 32, so can only talk about eras since early 90s with much certainty, so let's say worst 4 years in the modern era?
Just out of curiosity, which 4 years in a row would you say had worse QB play in earlier eras?
Just out of curiosity, which 4 years in a row would you say had worse QB play in earlier eras?
Posted on 7/21/12 at 12:09 pm to Tiger Voodoo
quote:Check pages 133-135 of the Media Guide.
I'm only 32, so can only talk about eras since early 90s with much certainty, so let's say worst 4 years in the modern era?
Both are top ten in quite a few categories(positive ones), especially Jefferson.
I recall he was #1 in a couple rushing QB categories, but also top 10 Total O and Comp % in a season and a career, along with Lee.
I know this upsets a lot of rantards, but it is written in the Book of LSU..............until Mett displaces them.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 12:27 pm to Mayhawman
quote:
I know this upsets a lot of rantards,
I've never been a JJ or Lee basher. I think they both played as well as they could, although I think both of their careers were hurt early on by Crowton's inability to figure out what they do well, and they both regressed the longer they played under him to the point that we'll never know how good they could have been with better position coaching.
That said, I still can't think of 4 years in a row, especially in the modern era, where we had QB as limited as it has been in this era.
Not a pure knock on either on them because we've had some very solid QB play since the mid 90s. I appreciate both of them for putting up with the idiots in our fanbase (who both trashed them or elevated them to cult hero status at alternate times in their careers and always sought to pit one against the other) and playing to the best of their abilities, although more limited than the abilities than the other QBs in this era.
This post was edited on 7/21/12 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 7/21/12 at 12:52 pm to Tiger Voodoo
quote:There's been much worse.
That said, I still can't think of 4 years in a row, especially in the modern era, where we had QB as limited as it has been in this era.
Career yds all time and the 4 year plagues are rubbing elbows with pretty lofty company.
This can't be true!!
RK NAME*********** FRM TO GP AT CM % YDS TD INT Y/A Y/G RAT
1 Tommy Hodson 1986 1989 44 1141 674 59.07 9115 69 41 8.0 207.2 138.94
2 Jeff Wickersham 1982 1985 38 1005 587 58.41 6921 25 39 6.9 182.1 116.70
3 JaMarcus Russell 2004 2006 36 796 492 61.81 6616 52 21 8.3 183.8 147.91
4 Jamie Howard 1992 1995 36 934 459 49.14 6158 34 47 6.6 171.1 106.47
5 Herb Tyler 1995 1998 36 715 434 60.70 5876 40 24 8.2 163.2 141.48
6 Jordan Jefferson 2008 2011 42 678 397 58.55 4733 34 20 7.0 112.7 127.84
7 Alan Risher 1980 1982 33 615 381 61.95 4585 31 24 7.5 138.9 133.40
8 Rohan Davey 1999 2001 29 478 286 59.83 4415 29 15 9.2 152.2 151.16
9 Josh Booty 1999 2000 21 623 307 49.28 3951 24 34 6.3 188.1 104.35
10 Jarrett Lee 2008 2011 39 565 317 56.11 3949 32 21 7.0 101.3 126.07
Posted on 7/21/12 at 12:55 pm to Sev09
Also, sec championship vs uga is on espnu at 2:00 today
Posted on 7/21/12 at 1:09 pm to Mayhawman
Numbers don't always tell the full story. JJ started almost 30 games. Sure he's gonna have a lot of numbers.
He's ahead of Rohan on that list and Lee is nipping at his heels.
Surely you wouldn't take either of them over Ro???
Again, not bashing them. We won 41 games in their 4 years.
But saying they were the weakest 4 year run in modern era is pretty obvious IMO.
I mean seriously, what are we even talking about??
He's ahead of Rohan on that list and Lee is nipping at his heels.
Surely you wouldn't take either of them over Ro???
Again, not bashing them. We won 41 games in their 4 years.
But saying they were the weakest 4 year run in modern era is pretty obvious IMO.
I mean seriously, what are we even talking about??
This post was edited on 7/21/12 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 7/21/12 at 2:04 pm to Tiger Voodoo
quote:
Surely you wouldn't take either of them over Ro???
Hardly. Just saying there were Daigles, Graves Loups, and Howards, some with career <1:1 TD/ INT, <50% cr in your time.
None of the #s support the claim and they led some of the worst offenses ever.
Just because you sling it alot, doesn't mean you're any good.
quote:
But saying they were the weakest 4 year run in modern era is pretty obvious IMO.
I mean seriously, what are we even talking about??
You could always post something to support your claim.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 3:11 pm to Mayhawman
Yeah but none of those other QBs had NEAR the talent around them that we've had the past four years.
Again, I think as a whole I felt like our O had less opportunities to make consistent plays in the passing game with JJ/Lee these past 4 years than any oother 4 year stretch since I've been watching.
Not hating on them (the original comment was pointing out that Bama only managed a 2-2 split during a pretty rough QB era for LSU before the rematch), but just happy to be moving on.
Again, I think as a whole I felt like our O had less opportunities to make consistent plays in the passing game with JJ/Lee these past 4 years than any oother 4 year stretch since I've been watching.
Not hating on them (the original comment was pointing out that Bama only managed a 2-2 split during a pretty rough QB era for LSU before the rematch), but just happy to be moving on.
This post was edited on 7/21/12 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:15 pm to King Joey
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The the Perrilloux dismissal was a long bender that affected two years of LSU football. The Jefferson/Lee struggles were a long hangover from that bender that affected two more years. That's all over. If you were going to beat LSU, the last four years was your chance to do it. And Bama lost to LSU two of those four years.
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King Joey
wow, thaqnk yoy king joey.
your words are my thoughts.
defintely bbokmark.
from king joey's words to god's ears.
the golden years of lsu have just begun.
is it possible to de crown saban with one game?
Posted on 7/21/12 at 5:57 pm to Mayhawman
I would take Howard over JJ. Howard vs JL is a toss-up. IMO.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 7:14 pm to Sev09
Since Bama lost it wasn't the "Game of the Century", it was just a hiccup on the way to the Mulligan.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 10:57 am to biglego
quote:In an INT throwing contest I would too.
I would take Howard over JJ.
Howard prolly has the record for INTs in a game vs AU (6)
Howard threw more INTs (47) than TDs (34) 3 of 4 years and the best thing that could've happened for LSU was him getting hurt and Tyler taking over.
quote:And you would lose vs any top 20 defense with either.
Howard vs JL is a toss-up. IMO.
All were Tigers, but abilities vs different classes of foe set them all apart.
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