re: Does anyone want Crowton to stay?

The qb's haven't gotten better and the play calling is an absolute farce.

Hurry up offense? Run plays!!!!

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But it's both QB's who have problems leading me to believe it's the QB coach and coordinator, both of whom are Crowton.

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Right. Neither have improved on the obvious defects that were noticable at the beginning of their careers.

And this is wholly separate and apart from the situational playcalling and overall scheme which is 100% on Crowton.

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Going from your example, let's just say Jordan Jefferson is generally a pretty good shot but needs much more professional instruction. Gary Crowton handed him the rifle without sighting it in for JJ and let him continue to shoot to high/low/left/right without providing him the proper instruction. Even if you have a perfect gun, if you don't learn where the shooter's weaknesses are and correct them, the best gun in the world won't work.

Gary Crowton's job is not only to come up with a great scheme, it is to adapt that scheme to his players, and most importantly to develop and teach his players so that they improve and become better. I refuse to believe that with the athletes on this offense, that they are the main reason this offense ranked #103.

If one player isn't improving, it's the player's fault. If three players aren't improving, it's the position coach, if the whole offense isn't improving, it's the OC.

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This is probably the best example that I've seen so far. There is no excuse for this offense struggling so much this year with all this talent.

Crowton has a proven track record that his offenses have regressed the longer he stays. Sure, he can dream up some fantastic schemes but he can't coach the players. And if he has recognized that the QB's are limited...then he should have built the offensive schemes around their abilities.

I'm tired of the "nice guy" attitude and we need coaches that aren't afraid to step down when LSU has their foot on opposing teams throats.

I agree BT, the truth is we never realy know, all we can judge is what we see on the field. But that on the offense has generally been bad with a few exceptions. This team with a slightly better offense is a NC contender and playing this weekend

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I dont see how you guys cant sit here and say JL hasnt imporved.

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His footwork (his biggest deficiency) has not improved. Now, he may have a little more confidence in his throws and may not hesitate as much on the throw, but it's is not some incredible worldly improvement.

He throws short, quick passes very well, always has. He was able to exploit Florida's secondary on slants. However, overall, his footwork impedes him from throwing the ball accurately downfield.

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IMO, JL hasnt seen enough snaps this year to objectivley and truthfully say he hasnt improved.

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I can say definitively that his footwork has not improved.

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JJ on the other hand.... well its obvious to anyone with eyes and a memory that he hasnt.

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He has regressed. Some of it has to do with what he's been asked to do compared to last year. Some of it is certainly on him. He seems much less patient than last season and forced many throws.


However, Jefferson and Lee's deficiencies don't change the fact that neither are ever put in a position to succeed, the playcalling is often erratic and illogical, and the offense scheme is forced and plays to our players' weaknesses.

And all of that is 100% on Gary Crowton.

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I just refuse to be arrogant in a way that I try to act is if though I know better than men that do it for a living.

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You also refuse to acknowledge Crowton's history of regressing offenses and poor QB play.

Your argument would have credibility if this were the first time players weren't developing and offenses were declining under Crowton. Unfortunately for LSU, this is not the first time.

just curious.. did you happen to watch any of the indy/SD game last night??
If so you may have noticed collinsworth showing throwing motions of PM and Rivers.

Well, if not you'd had to see it to know what Im talking about... long story short CCollingsworth couldnt explain Rivers' and just said.. well, he gets it done.

Not saying JL is PR, but sometimes being "perfect form/footwork" aint worth the paper it was designed on.

My point is you put too much stock in something that isnt as relevant as you try to make it.

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just curious.. did you happen to watch any of the indy/SD game last night??
If so you may have noticed collinsworth showing throwing motions of PM and Rivers.

Well, if not you'd had to see it to know what Im talking about... long story short CCollingsworth couldnt explain Rivers' and just said.. well, he gets it done.

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Are you arguing that despite footwork Lee "gets it done?"

That's a very, very tough argument. He was serviceable against Tennessee and played well against Florida. Other than that, he struggled while in the game.

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Not saying JL is PR, but sometimes being "perfect form/footwork" aint worth the paper it was designed on.

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And would you agree that Rivers is more of an exception than the rule? Plus, Rivers' issue is his throwing motion, not his footwork.

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My point is you put too much stock in something that isnt as relevant as you try to make it.

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Coming from the guy who wants to completely ignore offensive philosophy, situational playcalling, and position coaching in his offensive production evaluation.

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We ran our 2006 pro-style offense which fit our personnel.

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and with JL at qb we could just as easilty kept this offense.

With JJ under center, GC/LM are dead set on the read option offense...
every other play is a spin off of it.
Bad part of it is, JJ still doesnt have the basic keep or hand it off down pat.
The pass plays designed to go along with this offese and success they have is hinging on wehter on not the run works or not...sorta like play action.

JJ's legs and mainly this staff's devotion to this offense is the reason the snap percentage favors JJ by alot.

not no hell no