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re: Congrats to Skip Bertman on A & M's Double National Title

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Posted by LSU92
New Orleans
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Posted on 6/13/09 at 3:52 pm to
I agree that Henry was a dominant coach. We are still competitive in track, so football players have track options. Nobody knows the details od Henry leaving, but I think its a very small part of Skip's legacy as AD. It certainly is not a defining moment of his term.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
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Posted on 6/13/09 at 3:53 pm to
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we can get better football players if they are guaranteed the chance to run track

lsu has people in the olympics, people on national tv


i was at the mideast regional track meet, and there were people in attendance just to watch trindon. people know lsu has a dominant track program


and this is all now coming to a halt??
Posted by LSU92
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/13/09 at 3:55 pm to
We are still very good in track. Football players still have a home at LSU. The Brady point was bad. The Laval point is not real good because everyone will judge Skip by Mainieri.
Posted by Ron Mexico
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Posted on 6/13/09 at 3:55 pm to
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and this is all now coming to a halt??



you cant be this naive


did you just not see what henry did at tamu



of course its not coming to a halt, we still have a program, but so does every other school

you are going to see lsu track fade away, mark these words down, and tamu will be the new lsu in track
Posted by tigerguy121
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 6/13/09 at 3:55 pm to
How much did Pat want? How much is A&M paying him?

How much more is it than he was getting while at LSU?

I think you need that info before you can judge whether or not Skip made a good decision or not.
Posted by DBG
vermont
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Posted on 6/13/09 at 3:56 pm to
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The Laval point is not real good because everyone will judge Skip by Mainieri.


come on man

Posted by DP40
Swamps and creeks
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 6/13/09 at 3:56 pm to
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they were fricking good enough for pat to win double digit national championships with both men and women in his tenure


Point being he had to mostly recruit out-of-state kids.

NY, TX, Jucos, etc made up the vast majority of his teams.

He wanted the state of La. to support high school track like TX did so he could get some MORE home grown talent.

He tried like hell to promote high school track and generate interest at high school admin levels, but it never happened. It frustrated him.

LSU being the flagship would have benefited greatly with state high schools producing high interest in track and field, thus producing a bigger pool of athletes to recruit
Posted by DBG
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Posted on 6/13/09 at 3:57 pm to
having to recruit out of state as a reason to leave seems like a weak reason
Posted by LSU92
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/13/09 at 3:57 pm to
Do you disagree with that? Really, please let me know.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
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Posted on 6/13/09 at 3:57 pm to
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come on man



Beat me to it
Posted by DBG
vermont
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Posted on 6/13/09 at 3:59 pm to
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Do you disagree with that? Really, please let me know.


yes, i do

you cant just pass over the smoke laval debacle when breaking down skip's coach hiring

HE WAS HIS HAND PICKED SUCCESSOR

skip said, "hey i want this fat frick to run my baseball program"...and smoke sucked,
This post was edited on 6/13/09 at 4:00 pm
Posted by LSU92
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/13/09 at 3:59 pm to
People remember winners and Skip and Paul are winners. If Mainieri wins the Natl title that is what people will remember.
Posted by DP40
Swamps and creeks
Member since Nov 2008
9907 posts
Posted on 6/13/09 at 4:01 pm to
I listed other factors for his reason too in my first post.

I'm explaining the state support/recruiting aspect on my last.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/13/09 at 4:02 pm to
people remember winners and big losers. smoke was a big loser. People remember curly hallman and all he did was fricking lose.

Posted by ForeLSU
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/13/09 at 4:04 pm to
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did you just not see what henry did at tamu


so tamu's football recruiting should be rapidly on the rise now??



Posted by LSU92
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2008
2435 posts
Posted on 6/13/09 at 4:05 pm to
I agree with you that Laval was a bust. Laval was hand picked while Skip was coach, not AD. If Laval does not do well, everybody remembers the good ole days with Skip...Skip looks good. As AD, (Skip did not know in 2001 he would be AD) Skip fires the "bum" (Skip looks good)and hires the winner in Mainieri(Skip looks good again). This is legacy and Skip is not the first coach to do it. Yes, Skip has a big ego, but winners can get away with it.
Posted by VooDoo1321
Virginia
Member since May 2008
4362 posts
Posted on 6/13/09 at 4:07 pm to
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manieri was a good hire.

agreed
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we can also thank Skip for using the good old boy network (Smoke) to nearly derail the program.
Hence, the part where I said that I did not agree with some things. Although, at the time, I think 99% of LSU fans wanted and knew it was going to be Smoke.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 6/13/09 at 4:07 pm to
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(Skip did not know in 2001 he would be AD)
Posted by Ron Mexico
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Posted on 6/13/09 at 4:09 pm to
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so tamu's football recruiting should be rapidly on the rise now??



i would be willing to bet you will see tamu get much better in football over the next coupld of years
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 6/13/09 at 4:09 pm to
i just loled at that whole post. it was full of fail.

people will remember smoke and skip knew he was the ad. even if he didn't know he was the ad he hand picked him.

The skip can do no wrong crowd
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