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re: Comparing Les to other great coaches.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 1:46 pm to chilge1
Posted on 5/25/10 at 1:46 pm to chilge1
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We were already locked into the SEC title game
Sorry, I meant to say NC, not SEC. We were two wins away at that point. I think this makes the loss look even worse. Point is, we had them at home, and we were the better, more talented team. I was at the game and it was a bad loss. Lots of sloppy dead ball penalties on offense -- delays, formations, etc.
I don't mind losing when we play well. All you can ask for as a fan, is for your team to line up and play their best. How often can you say that a Les Miles team has played their best?
Les' results are impressive, but when you consider the easily correctable mistakes, which his teams continue to make week in and week out, it gives one concern for the future. The last two years, when we haven't been so overwhelmingly more talented than our opposition, we have seen his results start to slip. Why? Because things like attention to detail and execution really do matter, despite the results of Miles first 3 years.
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Posted on 5/25/10 at 1:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I want Les Miles to succeed simply because it means success for LSU. Don't really care who the coach is, and frankly don't see a lot of people I would replace Les with to be honest. I want Les to succeed but I just don't have a lot of faith from what I have seen the last two seasons
This is my point exactly. The records the past 2 years haven't been awful, but if you look at the wins, sometime it took miracles to beat some pretty bad teams. Yea, all that matters is that they won. But, you have to wonder if things are going in the right direction when we are having to rely on this to beat teams with FAR less talent. Every team needs some luck on their side every now and then, but I just question if things are going in the right direction when it takes that to beat teams that clearly shouldn't even be in the game past the 2nd quarter.
I see too many sloppy mistakes and stupid penalties, I don't see the players improving as much as they should be, the big names come, but they aren't developing as well as they should and the QB situation has been a problem for a few years now, he needs to go out and recruit someone who can play and fix it ASAP. JJ shouldn't even still be in the equation at this point, he should have found far better options in the years since he enrolled.
This post was edited on 5/25/10 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 5/25/10 at 1:53 pm to allipgator
I'd be remiss if I didn't add for the nth time "other great coaches" implies Less is great, when in fact he's middle of the road at best.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 1:55 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:record wise yea, but look at the performance on the field, it was horrible except the auburn game. looking bad against la. tech, miss. st, georgia, wash,ole miss was just embarrassing,play calling & the call to spike it, or not have your f.g. unit ready for a man making that much money is unacceptable. this team is headed nowhere near in the right direction. & just like miles overall record, don't just look at the cover, open it up & read the book.
Perhaps, but to me going from an 08 season of 7-5 in the regular season, 7th in the SEC, and unranked to a 09 season of 9-3, 3rd in the SEC, and nationally ranked is the right direction
Posted on 5/25/10 at 1:56 pm to allipgator
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This is my point exactly. The records the past 2 years haven't been awful, but if you look at the wins, sometime it took miracles to beat some pretty bad teams. Yea, all that matters is that they won.
Time management,
LSU's supposed elite talent being pushed across the field.
Players look lost
Play calling sucks.
With easy non conference scheduling, 8 wins is pretty easy to obtain when you have elite talent. BTW, what is happening to these awesome recruiting classes?
I don't necessarily have a problem with the W/L, particularly last season since it is about what I predicted with this coaching staff, but the product on the field is horrible, sloppy and unorganized. But, like every offseason I think this year will be different.
This post was edited on 5/25/10 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 5/25/10 at 1:57 pm to Chimlim
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So you're saying Miles has the program headed in the right direct
I'm saying 9-3 is more in the right direction to me than 7-5. That's confusing to you?
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In 05 Miles took over the best program in the SEC
I thought Tennessee started the 05 regular season as the highest ranked SEC team, if you are going by preseason ranking. I don't know how you could go by the 04 results which didn't even see us in the SEC CG.
You thought in 08 we would compete for the west or SEC title or NC when we started the season without a QB who had ever played a down in college football? While I didn't expect the defensive collapse or the QB t/o problems, I certainly knew gray sky's could well be a coming when Miles booted RP.
As to the direction we are headed, hell, I don't know for sure and I highly doubt anyone else who post here does either. I do know I will wait to see what happens before I go into any we are doomed mode and others can do as they wish.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 2:09 pm to Chimlim
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In 05 Miles took over the best program in the SEC and one of the top 5 in the country.
Where is this delusion coming from? LSU ended ranked in Top 5 once before '05. He took over a program that went 2/5 on 10W seasons, ranked 16th and turned it into 3/5 -10Ws ranked Top5 3 times, and hopefully another this year.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 2:15 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:can't see the forest for the trees. LSU played up to it's potential all of one game last year. How is that a positive sign of where the team is?
I'm saying 9-3 is more in the right direction to me than 7-5. That's confusing to you?
Posted on 5/25/10 at 2:21 pm to Books
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LSU played up to it's potential
Just win baby.
There were LSU teams in every season that didn't play to potential. The '03 team lost AP vote because of "unconvincing wins".
The Gumps had a scare or 2 last year. It happens.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 2:28 pm to Mayhawman
It happens? The problem is you don't 'just win' when you continue to play like crap vs good teams. You fall to second-tier status
This post was edited on 5/25/10 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 5/25/10 at 2:29 pm to Books
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can't see the forest for the trees
I sometimes feel the same way with many of your post.
LSU won 9 games last season, finished 3rd in the west, went to a major bowl, and returned to the Top 20 after a year absence. How is that negative sign after the 08 season?
Posted on 5/25/10 at 2:30 pm to Lonnie4LSU
3rd in the West is now an accomplishment, only on the rant
Posted on 5/25/10 at 2:31 pm to inebr8ted tiger
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Comparing Les to other great coaches.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 2:34 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:this team is headed nowhere near in the right direction. & just like miles overall record, don't just look at the cover, open it up & read the book.
LSU won 9 games last season, finished 3rd in the west, went to a major bowl, and returned to the Top 20 after a year absence. How is that negative sign after the 08 season?
Posted on 5/25/10 at 2:37 pm to Books
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wanting a HC fired after the best 5 years under one coach in LSU history, only on the rant
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Posted on 5/25/10 at 2:40 pm to Choctaw
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wanting a HC fired after the best 5 years under one coach in LSU history, only on the rant
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You happy with the play on the field, despite the talent Choctaw? I think another 4 loss season saves Miles job but would you be happy with it? I hope LSU wins the NC this year but you honestly feel that LSU will win the SEC West this season?
Posted on 5/25/10 at 2:42 pm to Choctaw
agree, but unless he shows he can win a championship w/o Pelini and LSU flounders through another mediocre season, his seat will deservedly continue to get hot. No other coach in LSU history walked into what he did either.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 2:48 pm to Mayhawman
quote:Yes, it does happen to every team....like you said, once or twice ("scare or 2"). But when it happens in EVERY GAME save one & you're not tremendously concerned, you're just fooling yourself.
Just win baby.
There were LSU teams in every season that didn't play to potential. The '03 team lost AP vote because of "unconvincing wins".
The Gumps had a scare or 2 last year. It happens.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 2:51 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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I'm saying 9-3 is more in the right direction to me than 7-5. That's confusing to you?
Did Miles lower the standard of our program during the 08 season? Losing to Bama and Florida seems accpetable now to most LSU fans.
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thought Tennessee started the 05 regular season as the highest ranked SEC team, if you are going by preseason ranking. I don't know how you could go by the 04 results which didn't even see us in the SEC CG.
I'm talking about the state of the program overall we had the number 1 recruiting class in 03 and the number 3 class in 04 (04 should have been number 1, after Jacob Hester signed in 04, our ranking dropped to 3) LSU was at an elite level and was well respected nationally.
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You thought in 08 we would compete for the west or SEC title or NC when we started the season without a QB who had ever played a down in college football? While I didn't expect the defensive collapse or the QB t/o problems, I certainly knew gray sky's could well be a coming when Miles booted RP.
Look, if QB play was our ONLY problem the past two years, I would feel much better about Miles. The fact is, QB play has been a big problem, but it hasn't been our biggest problem. That is what I find troubling, how can we have such a drop off in defense in 08 and then a worse drop off in offense in 09?
Posted on 5/25/10 at 2:53 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:Man, just stop with this '08to'09 improvement BS. Not even the Miles lovers believe this crap. '08 was an incredibly shitty year (one of the worst of any team in CFB history following a MNC). Anything would have been an improvement. The fact that you're bragging about finishing 3rd in the SEC West is just embarrassing.
LSU won 9 games last season, finished 3rd in the west, went to a major bowl, and returned to the Top 20 after a year absence. How is that negative sign after the 08 season?
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