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re: CFN LSU preview
Posted on 7/1/10 at 3:36 pm to Choctaw
Posted on 7/1/10 at 3:36 pm to Choctaw
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i think you're the only person on here that can honestly call himself a "realist". You seem to stay in the middle pretty well.
That's your (and many other's) mistake. You mistake being "in the middle" for being realistic. Reality is not always in the middle.
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Posted on 7/1/10 at 3:38 pm to Baloo
quote:I hear Chicken is launching this new feature in August.
The 24-hour rule
Posted on 7/1/10 at 3:39 pm to Nuts4LSU
SOmeone disagrees with you, so they must be unrealistic?
Makes no sense. Realism is seeing things how they appear to be, in your opinion.
Makes no sense. Realism is seeing things how they appear to be, in your opinion.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 3:40 pm to Nuts4LSU
so realism is well never beat Florida or bama ever again as long as miles is head coach?
Posted on 7/1/10 at 3:41 pm to King Joey
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Clearly you were deaf to the din of the offseason following 2007, when the calls for "Miles to Michigan" and bitching about everything from the defense to the time management to the recruiting were loud, clear and frequent in the wake of winning THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Clearly you were reading a different board at that time. The rant was solidly pro-Miles. Hell, even I was calling him arguably the best coach in the SEC.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 3:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I think you do a pretty good job of staying on an even keel and realistic myself.
Probably too much. I have a flaw of trying to see both sides of an issue, and not how I really feel about it at times....but overall.
The summer is always the worst, after reading this thread further I think my mood, and that of many others, will improve once we actually see the Tigers play. What's hard is still having the salty taste of disappointment on your palate for 9 months while you wait for the promise of next year to (finally) occur.
The dread is that Les Miles is going to trot out another underwhelming, lackluster product en route to another frustrating season. And that, my friend, is just as realistic thinking in the dead of summer (when we know nothing about if the problems have been fixed) as is thinking that we are going 14-0 and on our way to a 3rd NC.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 3:46 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:boom
Clearly you were reading a different board at that time. The rant was solidly pro-Miles. Hell, even I was calling him arguably the best coach in the SEC.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 3:48 pm to TIGERSby10
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There were at least two teams in the SEC that definitely had more talent: UF and Bama.
Based on recruiting rankings, not true. LSU has more talent than Bama and about equal to Florida, based on recruiting rankings. Based on actual performance, of course they are both far better, but that isn't necessarily just a question of talent.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 3:51 pm to memphis tiger
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Just read the post higher up on the page. 10-2, 2nd in the West is not good enough for Miles to keep his job.
Who said that? I said 10-2 and 2nd in the west would be disappointing as a blow out the roof best season payoff for two shitty years of rebuilding.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 3:53 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Clearly you were reading a different board at that time. The rant was solidly pro-Miles. Hell, even I was calling him arguably the best coach in the SEC.
Which is a problem judging a coach based solely on too narrow of a window, Nuts. A 10-11 win season with better on field play and a prestigious bowl win could change that opinion again.
I am skeptical of Miles myself, but give him the benefit of the doubt and feel that he, like any person has the capacity to adapt and change. Clearly there is a difference between Miles '07 and Miles '09. But I am not ready to throw in the towel just yet.
Don't think this season will be spectacular but do think the team has more potential for being better this year than worse. Miles isn't elite right now IMO, but few coaches are. Still think he has some potential there to improve.
This post was edited on 7/1/10 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 7/1/10 at 3:56 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Did it occur to you that while LSU may not be good enough to win the West, there still may be no discernable decline in the program?
Maybe it's that there's ANOTHER program that has finished with devastating sanctions, that occurred while LSU was winning the West, and is now back to full strength and has surpassed anything that LSU has done in the last 10 years.
So Alabama is responsible for our 1-3 record vs. Ole Miss and Arkansas over the past two years? And Alabama is why we're underdogs in five games going into 2010, according to Vegas oddsmakers?
And we're talking about the Alabama team that has lost basically its whole defense and is in a supposed rebuilding year? While we've just completed two years of supposed rebuilding and have them at home? That's the team that is going to make us lose five games this year?
When was the last time LSU was a preseason underdog in five games? But you still think...
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there still may be no discernable decline in the program?
Ridiculous.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 4:17 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:Nuts, good points. I think what I observed as it relates to Bama is that the team and the coach clearly 'gave up' after the devastating losses to Bama in '08 and '09. The team has tanked the last two years in the final stretch when it was clear they would not win the West outright.
So Alabama is responsible for our 1-3 record vs. Ole Miss and Arkansas over the past two years? And Alabama is why we're underdogs in five games going into 2010, according to Vegas oddsmakers?
This falls squarely on the coach IMO. I'm not saying every member of the team 'gave up' and I'm not saying they are quitters but what I observed was a team and a coach that was without fire and passion after the Bama losses.
If we are going to allow Bama to control our fate every year in this way, and with the coach and the recruiting power that they now have, many Tiger fans are skeptical of future success beyond 8-9 wins.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 4:17 pm to Nuts4LSU
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So Alabama is responsible for our 1-3 record vs. Ole Miss and Arkansas over the past two years? And Alabama is why we're underdogs in five games going into 2010, according to Vegas oddsmakers?
No.
But then some of us don't see a program in decline.
2000-2004: 48-16
2005-2009: 51-15
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And we're talking about the Alabama team that has lost basically its whole defense and is in a supposed rebuilding year? While we've just completed two years of supposed rebuilding and have them at home? That's the team that is going to make us lose five games this year?
WTF?
No, that's the team that is going to lose to LSU in Tiger Stadium. Why do you insist that LSU is going to lose 5 games?
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When was the last time LSU was a preseason underdog in five games?
Probably during Saban's tenure.
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But you still think there still may be no discernable decline in the program?
Ridiculous.
I'll tell you what's ridiculous, basing your opinion that LSU is a program in decline because Vegas odds-makers in JUNE have the Tigers as dogs in 5 games.
They haven't even played the freaking games, yet you have them down as losses to base your theory about LSU being in decline upon.
THAT'S fricking ridiculous.
LSU has a good chance to go 10-2 this year. Let's just say they lose to UF and Ole Miss. If they do, are they a program in decline in your eyes?
My point was just because another team has moved ahead of LSU doesn't NECESSARILY mean that LSU is in decline.
I guess you thought LSU was in decline in 2006 when they hadn't won the SEC in 3 years. Then, all of a sudden, they win it ALL the very next year.
You just never know what's going to happen - until it does.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 4:23 pm to Nuts4LSU
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And we're talking about the Alabama team that has lost basically its whole defense and is in a supposed rebuilding year?
I haven't heard one person say Alabama is in a rebuilding year. In fact, most so-called "experts" that I have seen or heard think Alabama will be the preseason number one team despite losing 9 defensive starters.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 4:26 pm to LSUray
Will be virtually impossible for Alabama to be better than last year but they will still be the heavy favorite in every conference game they play against a West opponent.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 4:28 pm to NawlinsTigah270
Before I read past the article, I'm guessing at least one of the first three replies will be negative.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 4:29 pm to LSUray
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In fact, most so-called "experts" that I have seen or heard think Alabama will be the preseason number one team despite losing 9 defensive starters.
It doesn't matter where you start...it's where you finish. Case in point: USC Trojans.
Everyone wants to focus on Bama when we have games before and after them. LSU will take care of Bama when they come to TS.
Not to :beatdeadhorse: but you can't win the season all at once. Take them one game at a time.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 6:57 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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I think thats the part that upsets so many LSU fans. We have one of the best teams in the SEC talent wise, yet the results dont show it..
Nobody questions the talent LSU teams have, its whats being done with it.
This
Posted on 7/1/10 at 8:50 pm to Boh
Great article. I agree with pretty much everything he says. I expect a 10-2 season. Anything below and I'll be really disappointed. Anything above and I will be reeling with excitement.
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