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re: Can the College Football Ranking System improve with the Playoff System
Posted on 12/16/12 at 10:44 pm to kew48
Posted on 12/16/12 at 10:44 pm to kew48
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The Harris poll is exactly one of the polls that contains coaches-media types etc. that rank a team higher than a team they may be playing and then turn around and say that team has no chance of beating the lower ranked team.(Case in point ND and Alabama)--No credibility whatsoever. I'm not a Bama fan, but I think that example is a great one. Your're not going to get many poeple to agree with you that the BCS has been sucessful. That's why it's being overwhelmingly booted out the door. The reason it's been around 14 years is not because of it's great success as you unfortunately believe but because there was a contract in place for it and there were too many groups making too much money from that process. It got to the point where public outrage forced a much need change.
Who said it's been a success but more people would agree it's a better ranking system than whatever you try to come up with. It gauges what they did during the season NOT what anybody expects to win, which is pure speculation. The BCS isn't designed to predict who will beat who, it simply grades out your past. Of course ppl will pick Bama based on SEC, Saban, etc coupled with lack of respect for ND. But if you go by what they did during the season, you will have to rank ND #1.
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Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:56 pm to tiger in the gump
A playoff of the top 4-6 conference champions is the best idea to me.
Would I be pissed that only one SEC team makes it? No because I expect the SEC Champion to win it anyways and the SEC has a regular season tournament that is meant to be a fair objective way to determine the SEC's best team.
The system would also basically eliminate the human voters in regards to determine the NC which I think holds the sport back.
Would I be pissed that only one SEC team makes it? No because I expect the SEC Champion to win it anyways and the SEC has a regular season tournament that is meant to be a fair objective way to determine the SEC's best team.
The system would also basically eliminate the human voters in regards to determine the NC which I think holds the sport back.
This post was edited on 12/16/12 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 12/17/12 at 3:21 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Who said it's been a success but more people would agree it's a better ranking system than whatever you try to come up with. It gauges what they did during the season NOT what anybody expects to win, which is pure speculation. The BCS isn't designed to predict who will beat who, it simply grades out your past. Of course ppl will pick Bama based on SEC, Saban, etc coupled with lack of respect for ND. But if you go by what they did during the season, you will have to rank ND #1.
Any persons ranking is pure speculation. But if the ranking is suppose to reflect the best to least best team. ND does not deserve to be at the top based on their play/who they play etc. They have not played as tough a schedule as Alabama or LSU. We'll see after the game! Do you really believe ND does not receive an overly biased ranking in the polls vis a via LSU/Georgia and other SEC teams- even Alabama. Pollsters-particularly media-types can't wait to rank ND #1.
Who said it's been a success but more people would agree it's a better ranking system than whatever you try to come up with. It gauges what they did during the season NOT what anybody expects to win, which is pure speculation. The BCS isn't designed to predict who will beat who, it simply grades out your past. Of course ppl will pick Bama based on SEC, Saban, etc coupled with lack of respect for ND. But if you go by what they did during the season, you will have to rank ND #1.
Any persons ranking is pure speculation. But if the ranking is suppose to reflect the best to least best team. ND does not deserve to be at the top based on their play/who they play etc. They have not played as tough a schedule as Alabama or LSU. We'll see after the game! Do you really believe ND does not receive an overly biased ranking in the polls vis a via LSU/Georgia and other SEC teams- even Alabama. Pollsters-particularly media-types can't wait to rank ND #1.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 4:07 pm to kew48
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Any persons ranking is pure speculation. But if the ranking is suppose to reflect the best to least best team. ND does not deserve to be at the top based on their play/who they play etc. They have not played as tough a schedule as Alabama or LSU. We'll see after the game! Do you really believe ND does not receive an overly biased ranking in the polls vis a via LSU/Georgia and other SEC teams- even Alabama. Pollsters-particularly media-types can't wait to rank ND #1.
Didn't i just say the rankings doesn't predict who is going to beat who, but what you did in the past? What empirical evidence do you have that Al played a better schedule than ND before the SEC CG? Please provide a link where Al schedule is better than ND, before the SEC CG they managed to avoid the hard teams in the east. Alabama has a Div I-AA team on their schedule.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 5:01 pm to kew48
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The current ranking system has no credibility
so just exactly how would you change it to make it better? it's light years better than it used to be.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 5:44 pm to LSU GrandDad
Rankings are suppose to rank the quality of teams from excellent to poor. The method of doing this varies.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 6:10 pm to kew48
LSU GRANDAD:
so just exactly how would you change it to make it better? it's light years better than it used to be
Hello LSU Grandad--
I suggested an approach coupled with a playoff system earlier in the thread. My principal point however was do not rank a team # 1 (subjectively) and then turn around and opine that they will lose to one of your lower ranked teams.
so just exactly how would you change it to make it better? it's light years better than it used to be
Hello LSU Grandad--
I suggested an approach coupled with a playoff system earlier in the thread. My principal point however was do not rank a team # 1 (subjectively) and then turn around and opine that they will lose to one of your lower ranked teams.
Posted on 12/17/12 at 10:20 pm to kew48
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Rankings are suppose to rank the quality of teams from excellent to poor.
The BCS doesn't do this?
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My principal point however was do not rank a team # 1 (subjectively) and then turn around and opine that they will lose to one of your lower ranked teams.
their #1 ranking is based on objective actual results, guessing who would win is much more subjective. Lower ranked teams win all the time, so it's no big deal, especially when they're separated by one slot
Posted on 12/18/12 at 1:35 am to kew48
A committee will be politically correct and will make it unlikely to have an two team SEC national championship possible.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 1:38 am to kew48
A committee will be politically correct and will make it unlikely to have an two team SEC national championship possible.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 6:04 am to RBWilliams8
It will be better. 4 teams hand selected by media instead of 2. Still bias but not as bad.
8 is a lot but it could work with less regular season games
8 is a lot but it could work with less regular season games
Posted on 12/18/12 at 9:33 am to RileyTime
Negative, it will still be politics & they will still be slobbering on Saban's balls. 
Posted on 12/18/12 at 9:46 am to kew48
The current ranking system has no credibility and I see no signs of improvement with the playoff system.
Agree 100% because media darlings ND, Ala, SC, Ohio ST. will be in top ten until their 3rd loss. Wouldn't surprise me to see the top four with a loss or 2 ranked over undefeated teams. The automatic BCS birth must go. The big east getting and outomatic berth and N. Ill. getting one is rediculous.
Agree 100% because media darlings ND, Ala, SC, Ohio ST. will be in top ten until their 3rd loss. Wouldn't surprise me to see the top four with a loss or 2 ranked over undefeated teams. The automatic BCS birth must go. The big east getting and outomatic berth and N. Ill. getting one is rediculous.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 10:43 am to kew48
quote:I guess I'm the only one but this doesn't bother me at all. The ranking is done by people and people also predict that Bama will beat them.
Here we have Alabama-an almost 10 point favorite over the Number 1 ranked Team-with almost every talking head sportscaster saying every high ranked SEC team would be favored over ND.--LSU also! Do you really think the new playoff system will improve this mess? The current ranking system has no credibility and I see no signs of improvement with the playoff system.
There is just no way around the fact that people (opinions) are going to determine which teams are better. I honestly don't think it is as broken as most people do. I can't think of too many times in my lifetime where I thought the best team in the country didn't get a chance to play for the BCS or split the title in the non BCS era.
These same goobs were predicting Oklahoma to beat ND also. That's why you play the game. ND deserves it's #1 spot and dserves it's shot to play for the National title.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 10:46 am to kew48
No we will be lucky to ever get 2 SEC teams into the playoff to start in 2014.
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