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re: Burrow's every throw and run from 1st half of 2018 season

Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:35 pm to
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:35 pm to
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its telling that your 2nd option is Charlie Campbell
it's just one of SEVERAL options presented to you that show you were wrong. even chimpanzees can admit when they were wrong.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:39 pm to
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you think Burrow is better than Haskins at qb
quote where i said that with context

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there is a couple of places that think Joe might sneak into the 3rd round
and that's not even counting if he has a great season, which several publications have acknowledged could bump him up even higher.

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TV broadcast opinion
where stats come from. which stats/quotes i posted were factually incorrect? btw, where are your stats and quotes?

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you would think there would be a ton of them
there might be if burrow has the kind of season haskins had last season, right? you know, comparing apples to apples and all

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why arent all these trained scouts
still can't admit that they are wrong frequently, can you? hell, they couldn't even all agree on haskins' qualities

Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:40 pm to
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but TV broadcast scouting is spot on
so you can't admit you were doing that. that's all you had to say
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:41 pm to
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he just isnt better than Haskins
prove it. i'm not talking about season long, team/coordinator dependent results. i'm talking about qb specific qualities. like the video i cited. let's see you break down qb technique like i was
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:49 pm to
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why was no one worried about Burrow leaving?
kj costello is a senior and one of the top qb's listed in the upcoming draft. show me the quotes from people "worried" about him leaving for the draft like you think experts didn't do for burrow. hit up justin hebert while you're at it. steven montez? Shea Patterson? Brian Lewerke?

hell, ANYBODY
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:54 pm to
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there might be if burrow has the kind of season haskins had last season, right?

Burrow is going to jump from 16 TD passes to 50?
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9856 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:22 pm to
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…then goes off on the longest, most psychotic asperger’s rant in the history of the internet.


this is exactly what im talking about. my post that you quoted clearly says not getting into an argument over statistics, followed by another statement that you conveniently left out that said "but i will address your other nonsense in this thread."

you cherry pick and respond to things completely out of context, and you have no interest in having any kind of rational discussion that subjects all possible parties to equal parameters. youre either not intelligent enough or not intellectually honest enough to waste time with. it is what it is.

and still, literally no links or quotes you have posted talk about about haskins in relation to burrow. but you do lie plenty of more times claiming you never said things.

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I broke down every pass play from the first half of the slu game. But I “made up” stats.


lets unpackage this one.

yes, you absolutely made up stats. you in that thread that lsu was in max protect at least 50% of the time against southeastern in the first half. your own stats*, which are also incorrect and therefore bullshite, show lsu was in max protect at most 4 times out of 22 pass plays in the first half.

*btw, the reason your opinion on ANYTHING football related will never be credible is because of this right here. the stats that you "broke down" were flat out wrong, and then you straight up lied about the incorrect stats that you did break down. in response to posts about 2 wrs going out on pass plays against southeastern, you provided the following gems:

"it was alot more than that in the first half alone. at least 50%. they commented on it. hard for 2 receivers to get open against 4 d backs"

"again, it was heavily weighted towards 2 receivers in the first half yet, the o still moved the ball effectively. very bland."

"again, in the first half, it's hard for 2 receivers to get open against 4 d backs. yet, burrow still had decent numbers out of very bland sets"

meanwhile, your own "break down" showed that lsu sent out 2 receivers only 4 times in 22 pass plays in the first half. according to you, multiple times, lsu only sent out 2 wrs "at least 50%" of the time, the sets were "heavily weighted" to 2 receivers, and "its hard for 2 receivers to get open against 4 d backs"

so youre flat out lying and making up statistics, or you think 4/22 = 50%, or both. either way, this is why youre a joke and your opinion from watching film is meaningless. its also why any statistic you provide needs to be accompanied by a link proving its accurate.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9856 posts
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:28 pm to
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Only an idiot would not include them.
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only an idiot would claim no way orgeron hires ensminger as OC.

only an idiot would claim troy is more talented than lsu.

only an idiot would claim mike leach doesnt run the spread offense.

right, idiot?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47432 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:20 am to
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And why did the Redskins coaching staff want to pass on Haskins? (Only to be overruled by the owner's kid - who was Haskins' high school buddy)






utter bullshite

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When asked Thursday night whether Haskins was the team’s top-rated quarterback in this draft — which began with Arizona selecting Oklahoma’s Kyler Murray — Gruden quickly nodded.
“Oh, yeah,” he said. “For sure.”



Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47432 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:31 am to
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hit up justin hebert while you're at it. steven montez? Shea Patterson? Brian Lewerke? 


you mean day 2 or 3 guys?

if Burrow is better than Haskins at things a qb can control he should be a top 15 pick.

before haskins declared he was the one of the 3 top rated returning QBs in 2019.
burrow should be too since he is better than Haskins at things a qb can control.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47432 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:42 am to
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i'm not talking about season long, team/coordinator dependent results. i'm talking about qb specific qualities. 




its telling that you'll only accept stats that back up your opinion.

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prove it. i'm not talking about season long, team/coordinator dependent results. i'm talking about qb specific qualities. 


NFL gms and NFL scouts deem Haskins the better qb.I think I'll go with their opinions over some sports message board poster.
your cherrypicking stats cant change that

ranks haskins as the best returning qb in cfb before he declared. burrow didnt make the top 10

burrow not in the top 10 in returning QBs in cfb

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28th ranked returning qbs . Joe Burrow, LSU
?Burrow was a huge pickup as a graduate transfer at the conclusion of spring practice for coach Ed Orgeron last season. The Ohio State transfer provided a steady presence under center, completing 57.8 percent of his throws for 2,894 yards and 16 touchdowns to five picks. Burrow also added 399 yards and seven rushing scores. The Ohio native saved his best performances for the end of 2018 season, scoring six times versus Texas A&M and accounting for 394 passing yards and four touchdowns against UCF in the Fiesta Bowl. LSU’s transition to more of a spread offense should be a great fit Burrow’s skill set. 


burrow not in the top 10 in returning qbs
247 has Burrow has the 25th best returning qb in cfb

do I need to continue?
Haskins was top 3-5 in all these polls heading into 2018.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
98687 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 2:19 am to
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i'm not talking about season long, team/coordinator dependent results. i'm talking about qb specific qualities. 



 

its telling that you'll only accept stats that back up your opinion. 

This is what I've been saying Rick. All QB stats are dependant on WRs gettting open, catching the ball, blocking by the OL and the backs at times. If the blocking breaks down for one team then that QB would have more rushing yards than a QB that consistently has a clean pocket. One QB my have receivers open down field while others throw bubble screens. One team may be pass happy while another is run heavy. We can't just throw out passing TDs because the "the QB doesn't control that." The QB isn't responsible for game flow or calling the plays on any team. All QB stats should be included and I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be.
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14402 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 6:33 am to
I’ve never seen so many “fans” argue that their QB isn’t as good as another. The Burrow > Haskins claim is out there, but as fans we should leave it at “I don’t know about that”. Instead our “fans” spent weeks arguing we’ll into the night diminishing all accomplishments and projections for our QB. This is a sad group of people here.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
98687 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 6:39 am to
I couldn't agree more, bro. It's easy to make comparisons and point out why all stats should be included. Haskins got to start in the same system that he's been used to. Burrow had to learn an entire new culture, playbook/scheme and a totally new team dynamic in a short time. The comparisons of the player in 2018 isn't an honest discussion. Let's see Burrow does in year two.
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14402 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:01 am to
I hope Buckeye Jeaux is right and dances all over us all off-season next year. That would mean Burrow crushed it, LSU played for a title, and Burrow rockets up the draft board. I think Buckeye is a strange guy, but I hope he’s right and we’re wrong. I’m not going to try to “prove” that Burrow isn’t that good. This is the same group that claims other posters shite on players.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:36 am to
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only an idiot would say troy is more talented than lsu
so you think Haskins is at least as good of a runner as burrow. Got it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282881 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:38 am to
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only an idiot would claim mike leach doesnt run the spread offense.


Correct. You're the only person here who's said it.

Idiot.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:39 am to
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you posted 1 that said 3-5 and then posted one where you thought DAY 3 meant 3rd rd.
you have been given multiple resources that show you are wrong. I get that you can't admit it.

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do you follow the sport?
do you have any brains at all?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282881 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:39 am to
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so you think Haskins is at least as good of a runner as burrow. Got it.


In typical fashion Madqueen is leaving out anything that supports his biased opinion.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:42 am to
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Burrow is going to jump from 16 TD passes to 50?
it's like you haven't been following the conversation at all. Are qb's directly and solely responsible for calling a pass play in the red zone? No. I get why you can't move off of that boat anchor
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