re: Burrow's every throw and run from 1st half of 2018 season

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burrow arrived on campus a few weeks before the season started. 

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because he wasnt as good of a qb as Haskins.


agree to disagree.

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Only someone as dumb as tricky Ricky would sit around on a mess board and attempt to run down the Sr starting Qb of his team. 

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burrow is the man and a warrior.
he just isnt as good of a qb as haskins.
that's not running him down dumbass.

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Congrats you fricking dbag.

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congrats on being the 2nd biggest bitch boy on this site

I've said a dozen time that Burrow will cement himself as one of the best lsu qbs ever this coming season but that's not enough for you cultists.

Burrow isnt as good of a qb as Tua. I guess that's running him down too, right?

you football ignorant o cultists need to get a grip on reality.

Haskins>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Burrow..................

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this can be said of every football stat in cfb

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nope. it seems like you don't even understand football

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players arent calling plays

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but when a qb keeps it or is called for a run, he has to have speed, agility and strength. burrow is clearly better in this regard. when a long pass play is called, the qb has to put the ball on the money downfield. the stats suggest burrow is better at this too. so i'll ask again, in what way is haskins better?

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there would be discussion on every station about why he isnt coming out or why he chose to stay in school.

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so this is happening for tua, fromm, ehlinger, etc? no. it's not. you're just making up subjective bullcrap while i'm talking hard statistics and facts that came from watching the games. PLOT TWIST.

i think you're overestimating the general thinking on haskins

this article pours cold water on your boy

problems with pressure

"This is where the drop-off in Haskins’ play is alarming, as that clean-pocket passing grade of 90.7 drops to only 55.7 when pressured. His passer rating dropped from 135.4 to only 73.2, almost double the usual drop-off at the NFL level. The bigger concern for Haskins is when he moves off the spot, where his grade plummets to 54.1, and this includes simple plays where he has to reset in the pocket."

there's no way you think that aspect of his game is better than burrow.

usa today - "Haskins...suddenly is pegged by some as a picture of sliding stock."

downfield passing

"The QBs I’ve studied who show high levels of this type of efficiency show consistent ability to hit precise downfield targets, as well as the ability to lead their receivers downfield and hit them in stride. QBs who don’t show this type of efficiency generally struggle hitting precise depth-based targets, and are less able to lead their receivers down the field, relying more on straight-line accuracy.

Dwayne Haskins does not show this type of efficiency. Although I had originally attributed Haskins’ tendency towards throwing bullet passes to his medial thoracic leanings, it now appears far more likely that Haskins throws on a line because his ability to accurately throw to a specific depth of target is subpar. He throws very accurate straight-line passes on a longitudinal scale, and is very good at leading receivers right-to-left/ left-to-right, but his ability to “drop a dime” down the field, or to lead a receiver in stride downfield, is apparently lacking. And from previous study, it appears that this type of efficiency is very hard to generate as an adult- I have a very hard time seeing Haskins improving notably in this regard."

so you can drop the bullcrap about everyone being in love with haskins. also, the guy is as mobile as a land yacht.

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he just isnt as good of a qb as haskins.

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prove it

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you football ignorant o cultists need to get a grip on reality

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do you think burrow is a better running qb than haskins? yes or no

Facts are facts.........

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bfniii

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im not going to get into argument over stats with you again. that takes time, and you've proven in both this thread back in the fall and this current thread that you have no interest in having a rational debate that applies the same parameters to everyone involved. you also either think 4/22 = 50% or just completely made up stats and tried to pass them off as fact. in either case, youre not worth the time it takes to produce a rational, factually based statistical argument that you will either run away from or cherry pick things to respond to completely out of context.

but i will address your other nonsense in this thread.

- its amusing how you think cherry picking quotes about haskins from PFF that talk about him in relation to other players not named joe burrow somehow prove joe burrow is the better player. the simple fact is every quote and article you have posted in this thread is from something breaking down haskins strengths and weaknesses as he was being evalauted for the nfl draft. you cant post any of those about joe burrow, because they dont exist, because at no point last season was he thought of highly enough by any of the groups that do these to warrant a thorough breakdown of his game. why is that exactly?

- your continued insistance on attempting to use yards per completion as the barometer to compare players still doesnt make it a good decision. there is a reason that statistic is not used anywhere and isnt even displayed on player profiles. youre only using it because its literally the only stat that makes burrow look close to haskins last year.

- burrow didnt play against significantly better pass defenses than haskins. not counting the bowl games last year, where haskins faced a better defense than burrow, burrow's average pass defense faced gave up 215 ypg and ranked 56th in the country, while haskins average defense faced gave up 224 ypg and ranked 66th. there is nothing significant about less than 10 yards per game difference. then factor in that facing burrow actually decreased the opponents ypg given up by .7 ypg, while facing haskins increased his opponents ypg by over 11 ypg. factor that into the rankings and you get an average of 213 ypg given up for ohio st opponents and over 215 ypg given up for lsu opponents. haskins single handidly added 22 ypg to michigan's season average and bumped them from the #1 to #2 passing defense.

- post a link with proof of those 25 yard passing numbers. and add number of attempts while youre at it. its very amusing how, according to you, burrow completes less of these passes than haskins does and somehow that makes him better at throwing downfield.

- yes, haskins completed 1 pass over 10 yards against psu. how did he do against michigan? burrow completed 50% of his passes aganist a terrible fcs team. burrow went an entire month without throwing a touchdown.

- yes, i have heard of both jeff george and jamarcus russell. jeff george was a first team all big 10 and one of the most prolific qbs in big 10 history when he left illinois. jamarcus russell was the sec player of the yera and won the manning award as the best qb in college football.

- literally nothing you have ever posted on here would lead any credence to the idea that your comparison of haskins and burrow by watching games would lead to an accurate assessment of either player. in fact the opposite is true.

- people act like the draft is a measure of how good a player is because the draft is a measure of how good a player is. not the measure, a measure. nobody talking about the draft is pointing to that as the only proof that haskins is better than burrow. youre the only one doing that by trying to discard it completely for no reason.

- no link or quote youve posted proves anything about burrow in relation to haskins.

- again, its comical that every stat that is commonly used while comparing players and shows haskins is undoubtedly better than burrow is "not a fair stat". the one stat you find that shows burrow is close to haskins and is never used to compare players is the one that must be used here.

- passing touchdowns arent fair because the qb doesnt call his own play. but yards per completion is fair despite the wqb not calling his own play. makes perfect sense. you are consistent as always.

- the stats absolutely bear it out that haskins is undoubtedly better than burrow. just because you insist on shifting statistical parameters to benefit burrow while not doing it for anyone else doesnt mean they dont.

- why should people acknowledge quotes from analysts discussing haskins' flaws when you provide no quotes from analysts discussing burrow's flaws?

- why do you think "draftable grade" = draft position copmarison? and who has said its the definitive authority?

- yes, you have said burrow's lack of production falls on others shoulders. whether it was ensminger "not pushing" in his play calling or dropped passes, burrow's less than mediocre production was not his fault. go read back through the thread linked at the top of this post.

- you have not provided one quote from an analyst claiming passing touchdowns are an irrelevant stat.

- no, you not wanting to include a stat in the discussion because it definitively proves haskins is better than burrow is not a good reason.

- no one is acting like youre being selective. you are being selective. and thats an understatement.

- given your history of literally making shite up, yes you should have to provide quotes, and with links backing them up.

- td passes are not totally in the qbs hands so we cant use that stat. but a wr taking a 6 yard crossing pass 70+ yards for a td and significantly increasing your precious yards per completion stat is totally in the qbs hands. got it.

- there is nothing negligible about 112 yards per game. your math skills continue to astound.

- of course burrow's completion percentage got better as the season went on. he was 6 games into the year before his percentage was comfortably over 50%. in his last 4 games he faced horrific defenses while haskins faced 3 of the top 40 passing defenses and still completed a significantly higher percentage of his passes.

- you attempt to only focus on statistics that make burrow look good while disallowing every other regularly used statistic that shows he wasnt. of course you dont see how haskins isnt noticably better.

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I apologize for being an a-hole. you deserve your opinion like mine.

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Ricky is growing up right before are eyes.

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prove it 

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there is nothing but your opinion that Burrow is a better qb than Haskins. that's it. every single statistical category,NFL scouting report,and cfb talent evaluator says so.
burrow isnt even considered a top 10 returning qb while Haskins was already talked about as being the 1st qb taken.