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Posted on 10/12/10 at 4:57 pm to OBUDan
Just stop. Start for the full season or stop posting. You can't take ONLY the 2 games Lee played in and call it a factual comparison of the offense under the respective QB.
Have to compare each on their own merit for the ENTIRE season. Then you can make your argument..
Have to compare each on their own merit for the ENTIRE season. Then you can make your argument..
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:03 pm to Nastycuts22
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How many drives did lee start ? 5 ? and produced 4td drives . How many drives did JJ start ?
I think they each started 5. JJ may have started 6.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:03 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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If you watch the replay, JJ was hit as he threw. Not entirely his fault.
Are you kidding me? Ball was definitely free when he got hit. Watch it again. Perfect spiral. No way it comes out like that if the hit had in any way altered the throw.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:04 pm to OBUDan
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For Lee taking us down the field all night, he only managed to get 20 more yards than JJ out of our offense.
He started fewer drives and had 13 fewer plays. The OP showed the stat that LSU averaged more yards per play v. Florida when JL was the QB.
Perhaps we should eliminate the red zone offensive stats, because they would tend to skew JJ's down. I wonder what the numbers would say between the 20s.
I agree JJ has his place on this team, but right now his place is a little too lofty for my liking.
The question is: if the numbers were reversed, would there even be an argument about who should start? Of course not.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
So it wasn't enough for me to say I want whoever is best in there. Lee should be the man. Lee ran the offense better this week?
That makes me a Lee hater?
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:11 pm to OBUDan
You are obsessed because a couple of people started overhyping Lee in your opinion so you set out to set those people straight. Good job.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:19 pm to jdrumdog
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What I'm saying is, it's certainly silly to say that JJ looked better with the offense simply because they had more yards. Any good football coach will tell you there's more to it than that.
Of course. I'm not saying the entirety of the offense is based on these stats.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:20 pm to jdrumdog
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And the argument "well I'm just saying I'd like to see more from Lee," "not dogging JL" etc. etc. seems a little clouded as well.
That wasn't my argument. There was actually no argument whatsoever. I put up a bunch of stats and everyone ran with it calling me a JJ lover.
I said clearly from OP that Lee should be the guy and he played better.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:21 pm to Books
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Books
Na, you're just usually a good poster, but apparently you forgot how to read. But it's all good
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:22 pm to dgnx6
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What i want is for lee to start against mcneese and at least stay in for quite a few series before jj comes in. shite i want to see him start a whole game before i name him our savior. He still had a pass that should have been intercepted by a dlinemen. Nevis would have intercepted that pass. Lee plays well under pressure, but i have yet to see him or JJ play a complete mistake free game.
The problem is we dont know what would have happened if lee started the whole game, or if lee finished the drive against UT. All i know is JJ scored 2 rsuhing tds last game. Without those we lose. Jl moved us down the field and scored late in the game. Without that we lose.
Still a bunch of big ifs, but as long as we keep winning i could care less who starts.
Thank you.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:22 pm to OBUDan
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the offense actually functioned better while JJ was in at QB
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I'm not saying the entirety of the offense is based on these stats.
So, now what you're saying is, the offense just looked better in the Tennessee game with JJ at the helm, from both a statistical and "eyeball" test perspective?
Plus, you stated there was a misconception when it came to the offense in that game? What is that misconception?
This post was edited on 10/12/10 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:27 pm to Jaketigger
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You can't take ONLY the 2 games Lee played in and call it a factual comparison of the offense under the respective QB.
Well, should I draw upon his stats from the first 4 games?
Look, everyone seems clueless in this thread. I didn't think I needed a disclaimer to explain, but apparently I do.
THIS THREAD IS NOT ME TAKING A SIDE FOR WHICH QB IS BETTER.
I did it last week (and the stats favored JJ). I did it this week, and they favored Lee.
I've not one time in this thread said JJ is a better option than Lee. I said last week the offense performed better when he was in (and it did). Maybe that's happenstance. Maybe it's not. I'm curious to find out how it progresses as the season wears on.
I've said multiple times throughout the thread that Lee is better, I want Lee to be the man, Lee should start etc. etc. etc. I don't feel the need to go back and quote it.
Yet, multiple posters keep telling me I'm a stupid JJ lover. It's patently ridiculous.
Like I said from the OP, I want whoever gives us the best chance to win. Right now, Lee appears to be that guy. He has yet to have the opportunity to take on a full game, how does he do in that scenario? The limited data suggests he will do well. JJ wasn't playing well this season, thus the reason Lee gets snaps. Since Lee came in the offense has performed better.
The idea that I'm some Lee hater/JJ lover is truly ridiculous and there's nothing I've stated that can support that claim.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:28 pm to OBUDan
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The idea that I'm some Lee hater/JJ lover is truly ridiculous and there's nothing I've stated that can support that claim
Maybe not to that extreme, but you've already shown some flaws in that regard.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You are obsessed because a couple of people started overhyping Lee in your opinion so you set out to set those people straight. Good job.
Alright, let's try it this way.
Thumb through this thread.
Tell me where I've said Lee shouldn't be the man... JJ is better or whatever the frick you seem to have twisted into your head that I believe.
Go ahead and show me. I'm waiting.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:29 pm to OBUDan
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Without those we lose. Jl moved us down the field and scored late in the game. Without that we lose.
Without the TD's LSU loses. I am not sure JJ is the only person who could have scored those. If the short yardage thing is working with him, can't hurt to keep it that way though.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:30 pm to jdrumdog
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Maybe not to that extreme, but you've already shown some flaws in that regard.
I'm all eyes. Feel free to quote me and show me.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:31 pm to jdrumdog
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Plus, you stated there was a misconception when it came to the offense in that game? What is that misconception?
That JJ did nothing and Lee aggregated all the yards.
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So, now what you're saying is, the offense just looked better in the Tennessee game with JJ at the helm, from both a statistical and "eyeball" test perspective?
No, the offense looked better with Lee. Eyeball test doesn't always mean everything.
But it racked up better stats with JJ. Stats don't always mean everything.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:32 pm to OBUDan
I already have Dan. If you can't respond to it that's not my problem. I'm not reposting it twice.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 5:33 pm to jdrumdog
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already have Dan. If you can't respond to it that's not my problem. I'm not reposting it twice.
I've responded to every response you've given, as far as I know.
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